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Post by ja on Apr 16, 2014 7:46:52 GMT -5
I am very interesting to make some financial analysis and see if actually club is worth of he money parents putting into it. Few thought to start. First, with 500,000 girls playing in club system (according to USAV) and only 5,000 combined scholarships available the chance of getting volleyball scholarship is around 1%. With most girls getting schoolies from 4-5 regions out of 36 the chances for your DD to get notice even less if you are not from this hot bad recruiting areas. With price of Club VB versus price for college tuition how much economically it does make sense to play 2-3 qualifiers, 8-10 local tournaments every year and try to keep up with school work? Maybe it's just better to play locally and study for good grades and SAT/ACT? The outcome of your investment into education is well documented, while financial outcome of VB investment is relatively unknown. Does it make more sense to invest those 5K every year into college fund, instead of chasing scholarships traveling around the country for 7-9 month every year for 7-8 years? So, how much club will cost in your area? What can you get for your money?
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Post by Garand on Apr 16, 2014 8:11:26 GMT -5
It sounds to me like you are assuming that the primary reason people pay for their daughter's club volleyball is in pursuit of a scholarship. There are many other reasons to play club (and benefits from doing so).
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Post by volleymom1532 on Apr 16, 2014 8:22:26 GMT -5
I second Garand's comments. In many competitive school districts, if your child is not playing club (AAU basketball, volleyball, soccer, etc.) they will not make the varsity team. Also, in many communities there are different levels of club. So there might be only one national team (typically a lot more expensive) at each age level, and then some regional or community teams. My daughters played on the national teams and by the time they were in 9th grade we had an idea that playing in college was a goal (notice I did not say scholarship). Because one of my daughters seriously looked at ivys and DIII. So for the math, I think it would be more accurate to look at the number of girls playing on a national team and then the number of girls who play at any level in college. My guess is it is a much higher percentage.
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Post by Phaedrus on Apr 16, 2014 8:23:55 GMT -5
It will be very difficult to separate the components of the club experience into fair chunks. The basic fundamental costs are: - Club member fee, i.e. direct payment to be a member of the club. Some have it, some don't. An overhead.
- Administration fee. Some charge admin fees instead of club member fee, some do both.
- Coach's pay.
- Gym rental.
- Uniform cost.
- Tournament cost.
In addition, some clubs fees include other costs that aren't broken down: - Travel, some include it, some don't.
- Some play more tournaments than others.
- Some offer and charge for strength and conditioning sessions. Some are included in the package.
- Some offer extra position specific workouts. Some are included in the package.
- Some practice much more days than others.
It is very difficult to put it into a good comparison context, especially if you want to do a cost/benefit analysis. Just how much does that extra qualifier add to the chances of getting an offer from a volleyball school? How do you quantify that? That is part of the obfuscation that some clubs use to attract families: because you can not functionally define the increased opportunity and quantify it in dollars and cents.
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Post by vbgirls2 on Apr 16, 2014 9:09:43 GMT -5
1500. is the club fee. We play a few qualifiers, mostly regional travel only. Does not include travel, hotels, food etc. Gym rental was free, donated. Covered mostly coaching fees, and tournament fees/association usav fees. Also included uniform, travel bag,warm ups.
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Post by ja on Apr 16, 2014 9:28:24 GMT -5
1500. is the club fee. We play a few qualifiers, mostly regional travel only. Does not include travel, hotels, food etc. Gym rental was free, donated. Covered mostly coaching fees, and tournament fees/association usav fees. Also included uniform, travel bag,warm ups. Thank you! What region are you from? How many tournaments are you attending per season? How long is your season? And how much (approximately) would travel cost on the top of the club fees?
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Post by ja on Apr 16, 2014 9:35:53 GMT -5
It sounds to me like you are assuming that the primary reason people pay for their daughter's club volleyball is in pursuit of a scholarship. There are many other reasons to play club (and benefits from doing so). Your assumption is wrong! I am running club for last 13 years and my primary goal is to popularize volleyball, not to win Nationals! Still, majority of my girls end up playing college volleyball. The better one getting scholarships, others going to play DIII. Quiet few of them choose to play DIII over DI or DII offers, since education was more important then prestige of DI volleyball. Once again, I am looking into financial aspect of the Club Volleyball. How much it would cost parents in CA vs. MA or NE? And how much sense FINANCIALLY it makes to invest into extensive and expensive "National" team travel?
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Post by downtheline on Apr 16, 2014 9:40:02 GMT -5
It is a different story for each family. Sports and education helped define both our family and life experiences.
If you make onto some USAV high performance teams there is world travel and experiences to add to the mix.
Because we were all engaged in high level sports, including travel ball for not just Indoor VB, but basketball, sand VB & track our sports expenses were what we invested our time and money in.
The friendships, teammates, competitions and accolades were all bonuses to the sports experiences. The bonds built here still stick with all of us today and beyond.
The idle time killing pitfalls of partying, drugs, unfavorable characters and pregnancy did not creep into the busy life schedules.
Plus I'm the biggest fan of all these sporting events so it was all really priceless.
It did the numbers and with three full rides to 3 D-1 schools we came out ahead.
Player 1- $300k college value v 7 yrs club & HS = $50k = $250k positive
Player 2 - $128k college value v 10 yrs club & HS & HP = $75k = $53k positive.
Player 3 - $350k college value v 10 yrs club, HS & HP = $90k = $260k positive.
Add in 7 JO medals (5 gold), MVP, All tournament, MOP, 2x NCAA champions, FiVB medals, travel to 12 countries and it keeps growing. Plus 2 pro careers in sports and another great job in pharma marketing and life is heading in the right direction thanks in a large part to sports.
If you don't invest and shoot for the moon your missing out, IMHO .
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Post by ja on Apr 16, 2014 9:46:45 GMT -5
It is a different story for each family. Sports and education helped define both our family and life experiences. If you make onto some USAV high performance teams there is world travel and experiences to add to the mix. Because we were all engaged in high level sports, including travel ball for not just Indoor VB, but basketball, sand VB & track our sports expenses were what we invested our time and money in. The friendships, teammates, competitions and accolades were all bonuses to the sports experiences. The bonds built here still stick with all of us today and beyond. The idle time killing pitfalls of partying, drugs, unfavorable characters and pregnancy did. It crep into the busy life schedules. Plus I'm the biggest fan of all these sporting events so it was all really priceless. It did the numbers and with three full rides to 3 D-1 schools we came out ahead. Player 1- $300k college value v 7 yrs club & HS = $ $50k = $250k positive Player 2 - $128k college value v 10 yrs club & HS & HP = $75k = $ $53k positive. Player 3 - $350k college value v 10 yrs club, HS & HP = $90k = $ $260k positive. Add in 7 JO medals (5 gold), MVP, All tournament, MOP, 2x NCAA champions, FiVB medals, travel to 12 countries and it keeps growing. If you don't invest and shoot for the moon your missing out, IMHO . Thank you! It does sounds like a great investment for you! Just one question to clarify about the college cost. I was under impression that the most expensive IVY LEAGUE (no scholarships available) is $55K per year now. So, where is $300 K and $350 K are coming from?
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Post by downtheline on Apr 16, 2014 9:53:37 GMT -5
4 and 5 yr masters programs at private colleges. Food, books, housing, travel expenses, tuition, etc. I'm not sure the Ivy's are the most expensive in America, the private school #1 child went to might be at or near the top of the costs.
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Post by ja on Apr 16, 2014 10:00:45 GMT -5
4 and 5 yr masters programs at private colleges. Food. Books, housing, travel expenses, tuition, etc. As a former DI Head Coach I know how much college education can cost you. The most expensive private college in the country is Sarah Lawrence at $64K +, including room and board and this is DIII school. Sorry, but your numbers does not adds up! Plus scholarship available only for 4 years, and does not cover Masters program.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 10:05:16 GMT -5
There are more than 5000 scholarships available. D1, D2, NAIA, NJCAA, etc.
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Post by ja on Apr 16, 2014 10:12:40 GMT -5
There are more than 5000 scholarships available. D1, D2, NAIA, NJCAA, etc. If you will subtract scholarships for foreign players then even less then 5,000!
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Post by downtheline on Apr 16, 2014 10:14:27 GMT -5
4 and 5 yr masters programs at private colleges. Food. Books, housing, travel expenses, tuition, etc. As a former DI Head Coach I know how much college education can cost you. The most expensive private college in the country is Sarah Lawrence at $64K +, including room and board and this is DIII school. Sorry, but your numbers does not adds up! Plus scholarship available only for 4 years, and does not cover Masters program. Ya I made it all up former coach expert of all college costs. I'm laughing all the way to the bank at you!
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Post by bc1900 on Apr 16, 2014 10:39:53 GMT -5
From a financial perspective it makes much more sense to start a 529 account, play rec volleyball and hit the books. There are 10 times more academic scholarships than athletic, and you would be hard pressed to find a school that doesn't offer something (academically).
Your daughter will probably not play varsity in high school (one of the main reasons many girls play club in the first place) but we're talking finances. So start the 529, and use the time you don't spend practicing and traveling hitting the books.
Added benefit, and it's a BIG one. Your daughter can choose the school she will attend, rather than waiting for some VB coach to choose her at a school that would not be one of her top choices otherwise.
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