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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 16, 2014 10:51:52 GMT -5
I am very interesting to make some financial analysis and see if actually club is worth of he money parents putting into it. Few thought to start. First, with 500,000 girls playing in club system (according to USAV) and only 5,000 combined scholarships available the chance of getting volleyball scholarship is around 1%. With most girls getting schoolies from 4-5 regions out of 36 the chances for your DD to get notice even less if you are not from this hot bad recruiting areas. With price of Club VB versus price for college tuition how much economically it does make sense to play 2-3 qualifiers, 8-10 local tournaments every year and try to keep up with school work? Maybe it's just better to play locally and study for good grades and SAT/ACT? The outcome of your investment into education is well documented, while financial outcome of VB investment is relatively unknown. Does it make more sense to invest those 5K every year into college fund, instead of chasing scholarships traveling around the country for 7-9 month every year for 7-8 years? So, how much club will cost in your area? What can you get for your money? What percentage of 6-footers get scholarships? |
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Post by volleymom1532 on Apr 16, 2014 11:24:42 GMT -5
I always thought if you had good grades there would lots of scholarships. Not the case if you want to go to a top notch school. In fact I had told my children for every dollar of scholarship money you earn, when you graduate I will give you a third of that back. I do have one child who does not have a scholarship at all. This would be the smart kid who did everything right
One of my kids had a 34 on the ACT and 4.0. No scholarship money, zero, nothing from the top schools, i.e. northwestern, Michigan, and others. Not don't get me wrong, there were scholarships at lots of other schools, just not the competitive ones.
So if you do somewhat well financially, have no debt, have saved in the 529. There is no money.
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Post by vbgirls2 on Apr 16, 2014 11:29:28 GMT -5
pm'd you
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 11:34:12 GMT -5
Here is a sample of Midwestern, private and public, in state and out of state college costs, which would be the yearly value of a full volleyball scholarship.
University of Oklahoma: In State: $18,481.50 Out of State: $30,670
Northwestern: Cost of Attendance: $65,554
Eastern Illinois: Cost of Attendance: $24,640
Baylor: Cost of Attendance: $24,697
*I went to the Baylor website and inputted a straight A student, carrying 8 AP classes with a 32 ACT for a merit scholarship and the academic scholarship award would be $16,000 per year, which does not cover the full tuition and costs. In this case, a full athletic scholarship would be worth much more than the academic merit awarded at Baylor. I did exercise as a comparison.
Other schools:
U California - Davis: In State: $33,073 Out of State: $55,951
University of San Diego: $51,000
Utah State: In State: $9,434 Out of State: $27,870
Auburn: In-state: $28,098 Out-of-state: $44,610
Boston College: Approx. $30,000
University of Washington: Out of State: $40,000+
The cost of college continues to rise. There is also the issue of admissions, which is not a guarantee. There are numerous volleyball families whose DD's use volleyball as a way into the more selective universities. Good for them!
Each family must determine whether or not volleyball is worth the investment of time, money and talent. But from what I see here in a 15 minute research project, the $2000 to $10,000 a year costs of club volleyball can be a sound investment for families whose players are recruited to play at a variety of colleges.
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Post by vbgirls2 on Apr 16, 2014 11:44:38 GMT -5
candlelight......more six footers than 5-9 ers.
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Post by ja on Apr 16, 2014 12:57:24 GMT -5
Actually you would be very surprised, but 6 feet would not guarantee your a scholarship. I recruited few girls way under 6 and
gave them money based on the level of play. At the same time I had to pass on quiet few 6'2"+ players as well. Speaking of 529
and Academic scholarship. One little funny story. One of my seniors told me that she applied to few colleges. The girl is 4.0
and 2340. She got into few Ivy league schools, but was rejected from one of her "safety" choices Queens College. Her parents
opened 529 for her while she started VB at 7 grade. She is dissent 5'8" lefty setter with good serve and above the average court
sense. The money they raised on 529 plus her Academic awards will pretty much cover her Ivy League school tuition. Would she be
a better player if we would run around and go to all possible tournaments? Absolutely! Would it guarantee her a VB scholarship?
Not really sure she will get one, since she is going to Ivy. But all the money her parents saved for her compared to club fees
she would have to pay to travel will help out to grad without debt!
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Post by vbgirls2 on Apr 16, 2014 13:21:56 GMT -5
awesome, with the cost of college these days and going up, money one way or another is always a good thing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 13:32:35 GMT -5
I always thought if you had good grades there would lots of scholarships. Not the case if you want to go to a top notch school. In fact I had told my children for every dollar of scholarship money you earn, when you graduate I will give you a third of that back. I do have one child who does not have a scholarship at all. This would be the smart kid who did everything right One of my kids had a 34 on the ACT and 4.0. No scholarship money, zero, nothing from the top schools, i.e. northwestern, Michigan, and others. Not don't get me wrong, there were scholarships at lots of other schools, just not the competitive ones. So if you do somewhat well financially, have no debt, have saved in the 529. There is no money. Sigh--I've got a pet peeve. "Top Notch?" That's reputation. July 4, 1776 takes place the same as whether you are at Harvard or Harper College. 2+2 still equals 4. There are affordable top notch programs out there at affordable prices or with scholarship money that covers a ton of the cost and is available for most students. If money is the root issue, why not take all the gen-ed classes at your local two-year college? They'll have scholarship money AND your expenses will be low and you can transfer to most 4-year schools after that. Will Harvard take a transfer student? No, probably not. Then again--I'll take the engineering programs at places like Iowa State, Illinois, or Georgia Tech in almost every way--lower cost, practical knowledge, etc. |
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Post by bc1900 on Apr 16, 2014 13:35:15 GMT -5
Here is a sample of Midwestern, private and public, in state and out of state college costs, which would be the yearly value of a full volleyball scholarship. University of Oklahoma: In State: $18,481.50 Out of State: $30,670 Northwestern: Cost of Attendance: $65,554 Eastern Illinois: Cost of Attendance: $24,640 Baylor: Cost of Attendance: $24,697 *I went to the Baylor website and inputted a straight A student, carrying 8 AP classes with a 32 ACT for a merit scholarship and the academic scholarship award would be $16,000 per year, which does not cover the full tuition and costs. In this case, a full athletic scholarship would be worth much more than the academic merit awarded at Baylor. I did exercise as a comparison. Other schools: U California - Davis: In State: $33,073 Out of State: $55,951 University of San Diego: $51,000 Utah State: In State: $9,434 Out of State: $27,870 Auburn: In-state: $28,098 Out-of-state: $44,610 Boston College: Approx. $30,000 University of Washington: Out of State: $40,000+ The cost of college continues to rise. There is also the issue of admissions, which is not a guarantee. There are numerous volleyball families whose DD's use volleyball as a way into the more selective universities. Good for them! Each family must determine whether or not volleyball is worth the investment of time, money and talent. But from what I see here in a 15 minute research project, the $2000 to $10,000 a year costs of club volleyball can be a sound investment for families whose players are recruited to play at a variety of colleges. Good information, but a questions arises. You say you "inputted" the hypothetical student on the Baylor website, so does that mean *any* student with those qualities would get that money? If yes that could mean dozens of students each year getting that academic money, versus, what, maybe 3 or 4 VB scholarships? Still looks like there is a lot more academic money available. |
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Post by gopherit on Apr 16, 2014 14:35:07 GMT -5
3 girls.
Grade school: $160,000
High school: $71,000
Club ball: $100,000
Result: DI full ride, National team, Pro career making 6 figures.
: D2 player, college education, career, and future coaching at HS and college level.
: Third kid still senior in HS, will be playing D2 with partial scholarship.
: Wife and I have seen more of the world than either of us had ever imagined.
: Each kid got something of great value for having played, and we didn't bat an eye at the money.
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Post by ja on Apr 16, 2014 15:11:48 GMT -5
3 girls. Grade school: $160,000 High school: $71,000 Club ball: $100,000 Result: DI full ride, National team, Pro career making 6 figures. : D2 player, college education, career, and future coaching at HS and college level. : Third kid still senior in HS, will be playing D2 with partial scholarship. : Wife and I have seen more of the world than either of us had ever imagined. : Each kid got something of great value for having played, and we didn't bat an eye at the money. At what age your girls started to play? |
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Post by gopherit on Apr 16, 2014 15:36:02 GMT -5
3 girls. Grade school: $160,000 High school: $71,000 Club ball: $100,000 Result: DI full ride, National team, Pro career making 6 figures. : D2 player, college education, career, and future coaching at HS and college level. : Third kid still senior in HS, will be playing D2 with partial scholarship. : Wife and I have seen more of the world than either of us had ever imagined. : Each kid got something of great value for having played, and we didn't bat an eye at the money. At what age your girls started to play? 15, 12, and 11. |
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Post by gigibear on Apr 16, 2014 18:29:58 GMT -5
The friendships, teammates, competitions and accolades were all bonuses to the sports experiences. The bonds built here still stick with all of us today and beyond.
The idle time killing pitfalls of partying, drugs, unfavorable characters and pregnancy did not creep into the busy life schedules.
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Post by gigibear on Apr 16, 2014 18:31:22 GMT -5
The friendships, teammates, competitions and accolades were all bonuses to the sports experiences. The bonds built here still stick with all of us today and beyond. The idle time killing pitfalls of partying, drugs, unfavorable characters and pregnancy did not creep into the busy life schedules. I agree. My kid has not been to a house party yet and she will be a graduating soon. |
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Post by bc1900 on Apr 16, 2014 18:51:08 GMT -5
I always thought if you had good grades there would lots of scholarships. Not the case if you want to go to a top notch school. In fact I had told my children for every dollar of scholarship money you earn, when you graduate I will give you a third of that back. I do have one child who does not have a scholarship at all. This would be the smart kid who did everything right One of my kids had a 34 on the ACT and 4.0. No scholarship money, zero, nothing from the top schools, i.e. northwestern, Michigan, and others. Not don't get me wrong, there were scholarships at lots of other schools, just not the competitive ones. So if you do somewhat well financially, have no debt, have saved in the 529. There is no money. Sigh--I've got a pet peeve. "Top Notch?" That's reputation. July 4, 1776 takes place the same as whether you are at Harvard or Harper College. 2+2 still equals 4. There are affordable top notch programs out there at affordable prices or with scholarship money that covers a ton of the cost and is available for most students. If money is the root issue, why not take all the gen-ed classes at your local two-year college? They'll have scholarship money AND your expenses will be low and you can transfer to most 4-year schools after that. Will Harvard take a transfer student? No, probably not. Then again--I'll take the engineering programs at places like Iowa State, Illinois, or Georgia Tech in almost every way--lower cost, practical knowledge, etc. So true, particularly for engineering. The big secret is three to five years out of college nobody cares where you went; it's all about your skills and experience. |
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