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Post by opposito on Apr 20, 2014 18:24:22 GMT -5
DII is easily better. DIII vs NAIA might be the better question.
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Post by rogero1 on Apr 20, 2014 18:28:59 GMT -5
I dont know if this topic has been debated yet. Obviously, the top teams in the country are D1. BYU, USC, Stanford. All these schools are awesome. And D3 level volleyball is the worst. However there is a few good teams such as Springfield. But they do not stack up well against the other divisons. SO the question is, which volleyball league is better? NAIA or D2? In my opinion, NAIA is better with the top 3 NAIA being better than the top 3 D2. One main difference is all the internationals that play in NAIA. They cant play NCAA because they have already played professionally. I wanna hear what everyone thinks. So you would have Park Concordia and Grand View vs. Lewis, Cal Bap, and Erskine? or Loyola? (need help with these.) FYI, Loyola is DI, not DII. There are also some NCVF men's club teams that can beat some DIII teams. Unfortunately, I think the days of NCAA vs. NAIA teams is over due to budgets. The DI & DII schools will only play NCAA teams due to their limit on playing dates. It will be interesting to if anymore NAIA schools convert to DII. There is a ranking of all men's programs by off the block if you want to compare. |
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Post by Voleibol!!!!!! on Apr 20, 2014 19:02:15 GMT -5
You can't compare NAIA to NCAA and you can't really compare the NCVF to NCAA. There are very limited rules in the NCVF and NAIA has no rules, hence 30 year olds who have played professionally. In addition, the scholarship amounts are completely different, 4.5 for D-I/II and 8 for NAIA.
If under the same rules and guidelines I say NCAA I/II and some D-III would be better.
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Post by vbc1 on Apr 21, 2014 11:21:44 GMT -5
You can't compare NAIA to NCAA and you can't really compare the NCVF to NCAA. There are very limited rules in the NCVF and NAIA has no rules, hence 30 year olds who have played professionally. In addition, the scholarship amounts are completely different, 4.5 for D-I/II and 8 for NAIA. If under the same rules and guidelines I say NCAA I/II and some D-III would be better. +1 NAIA is a crapshoot with what schools can offer compared to NCAA schools. Also, when you can bring in a kid who already played professionally for a few years, and is older than your average college freshman.... you get the picture. The reality is that today, the top 3 NAIA teams are probably as good as your middle DI/II programs on any given day. A few years ago, look at what Cal Baptist did when they were still NAIA. They were beating top MPSF teams, but with 8 scholarships. Now, with only 4.5, CBU is struggling to even make their conference tourney. with Park's performance this year, especially with the way the acted after they won it, I would be surprised to see many NCAA teams want to schedule any NAIA teams unless there is a prior relationship with the head coach. |
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Post by uvcalumn on Apr 21, 2014 12:04:25 GMT -5
oh yeah, no denying NAIA is better than D3. springfield is the cream of the d3 crop and, while competitive, usually gets blanked by NAIA teams.
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Post by volleyball20102011 on Apr 21, 2014 14:16:01 GMT -5
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Post by mojo101 on Apr 21, 2014 14:27:48 GMT -5
Just a note.......Concordia has been asked to abandon the NAIA scholarship model and go to Division 2 model of 4 1/2 scholarships for the 2014/2015 season even though they will be still participating in the NAIA. The D2 move will come in 2015/2016 season!
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Post by rogero1 on Apr 22, 2014 4:19:45 GMT -5
NAIA is a crapshoot with what schools can offer compared to NCAA schools. Also, when you can bring in a kid who already played professionally for a few years, and is older than your average college freshman.... you get the picture. The reality is that today, the top 3 NAIA teams are probably as good as your middle DI/II programs on any given day. A few years ago, look at what Cal Baptist did when they were still NAIA. They were beating top MPSF teams, but with 8 scholarships. Now, with only 4.5, CBU is struggling to even make their conference tourney. Cal Baptist also had players who would not be eligible under NCAA rules at that time. CBU is struggling because they not only of the reduction in scholarships, but also due to the loss of their grandfathered in players from their NAIA days. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 9:43:20 GMT -5
Compairing d3 to NAIA. The top NAIA teams are better than the top d3 teams. But very soon after the top, the next dozen d3 teams are better than the next dozen NAIA teams. Same for d2. The top NAIA might be better but after the top few schools, the remaining d2 schools would wipe the floor with the remaining NAIA schools.
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Post by meowmeowmeow on Apr 22, 2014 12:25:13 GMT -5
there are also only like 20 NAIA schools... just to throw that in there
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Post by volleyballbro (guru) on Apr 22, 2014 20:22:56 GMT -5
DII is wayy stronger. what is this conversation even about....
even Grand canyon beat concordia this year. that should be the deciding factor. GCU who is 2nd to last in the miva beat concordia @ concordia.
lewis would smash concordia. even lindenwood smashed missouri baptist this year.
DII is stronger all around and will be for years to come. Yes, maybe a naia can compete with the tops of the Div 2 but overall, the div 2 will remain stronger.
D2 top 5 went 5-2 against naia this year
top 4 went undefeated
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Post by libero3 on Apr 22, 2014 21:17:40 GMT -5
To just say that without a doubt that NAIA is completely better than D3 is a blind statement. Just looking at the CVC and comparing schedules of teams that qualified for the CVC tournament, meaning top 3 in each division. Of those 6 teams, only 3 played NAIA opponents and they posted a 6-6 record. Not saying that it is a great showing, but it does not show that the NAIA schools are far superior as you are stating. I agree, the NAIA model SHOULD be far superior to the D3 model as they have all of the resources most of these coaches would dream of having, but sometimes it does not work this way.
Just so you know the 4 teams that qualified for the CVC tournament that played NAIA teams were: Carthage (1-1) recored, Dominican (1-0), Lakeland (3-5), Stevenson (1-0)
If you take the remainder of the conference, the CVC was 9-12 total against NAIA teams, with MSOE (1-5) and Mt. St. Joe (2-1).
I don't know if these facts support my stance, but at least it is not a blind insult to those that play and win at the D3 level.
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Post by volleyballbro (guru) on Apr 23, 2014 1:58:14 GMT -5
forgot about grand view! they are tough and scrappy. would be interesting to see their small setter go up against the big boys though. grand view is unorthodox but effective.. very effective
concordia and park are way better than any NAIA competition at the time right now though. those 2 would be competitive in any league other than the MPSF. while they are good, DII does show much more depth. Lewis is way better than concordia and park. lewis is crazy good if you watch them. off year for them so far but wouldnt be surprised to see them upset loyola in the next couple of weeks. nothing to take away from the naia talent, they are really good.
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Post by vball2014 on Apr 23, 2014 8:56:11 GMT -5
And let's remember how park and many other NAIA schools have players that probably have played pro in their countries before. Is hard to compared them to an NCAA team that has 18-22 year old athletes.
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Post by meowmeowmeow on Apr 23, 2014 16:57:02 GMT -5
Would probably have to disagree. D3 isn't in the conversation lol. They are the worst hands down after Springfield who wasn't even that great. But the top 6-8 in NAIA are as good as the top 6-8 D2 for sure. You're just trying to make yourself feel better about deciding to play in a league with no rules that doesn't get respect because there are no rules. Even NAIA teams don't want to be NAIA. |
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