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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 22, 2014 12:32:21 GMT -5
There are about 7 billion people on the Earth, and 95% of them do not live in the US. If you restrict your recruiting to the US only, that implies you are letting 95% of the talent out of the picture.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 12:47:49 GMT -5
There are about 7 billion people on the Earth, and 95% of them do not live in the US. If you restrict your recruiting to the US only, that implies you are letting 95% of the talent out of the picture. With that statement, you're implying that all 95% are recruitable talent.
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Post by SportyBucky on Apr 22, 2014 12:53:53 GMT -5
Or that there's a proportional representation of players and talented players between the 5% and the 95%.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 13:31:15 GMT -5
Or that there's a proportional representation of players and talented players between the 5% and the 95%. Which is also flawed.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 22, 2014 14:51:55 GMT -5
Granted, based on Olympic Qualifying it certainly seems that the developed volleyball talent in Africa is much less proportional than everywhere else. On the other hand, also based on Olympic Qualifying, it seems like the developed volleyball talent in the US is certainly not over-represented compared to Europe, Asia, or South America. Given that and also the 19-1 population disparity, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume there is a lot more talent available outside the US than there is inside the US.
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Post by SportyBucky on Apr 22, 2014 15:19:57 GMT -5
I'd want to see statistics, mike.
Given the number of girls we have, the variety of sports they can play (i.e. they're split between many athletic opportunities) and the popularity of VB in Europe, Russia, Asia and South America, I think talent, per capita might be better in Europe. Do you think we get the top talent, middle of the road or something else? I mean, it's unusual for true top talent to play in the US when they can make money in their leagues and play in their country's development pipeline. thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 15:29:27 GMT -5
Granted, based on Olympic Qualifying it certainly seems that the developed volleyball talent in Africa is much less proportional than everywhere else. On the other hand, also based on Olympic Qualifying, it seems like the developed volleyball talent in the US is certainly not over-represented compared to Europe, Asia, or South America. Given that and also the 19-1 population disparity, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume there is a lot more talent available outside the US than there is inside the US. Well, yeah, but saying that coaches are missing out on 95% of the available talent just isn't true. I don't think you have those numbers.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 22, 2014 15:57:39 GMT -5
I'd want to see statistics, mike. Given the number of girls we have, the variety of sports they can play (i.e. they're split between many athletic opportunities) and the popularity of VB in Europe, Russia, Asia and South America, I think talent, per capita might be better in Europe. Do you think we get the top talent, middle of the road or something else? I mean, it's unusual for true top talent to play in the US when they can make money in their leagues and play in their country's development pipeline. thoughts? I'm an aeronautical engineer. Don't ask me for a detailed evaluation of volleyball talent. But engineers are trained to look for ROM answers first. And to a rough order of magnitude, it is extremely likely that 95% of the world probably produces more volleyball talent than 5% does. So why wouldn't US coaches look outside the US?
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Post by vbgirls2 on Apr 22, 2014 16:23:08 GMT -5
In most foreign countries you have to make a choice between being an athlete and going to school. You cannot do both. These girls can come to the US, be an athlete and a student. They get their education paid for via scholarship. Many are very serious students, knowing that if you do not get it done academically you will be gone. Also since many of these athletes are not able to do both academics and athletes in the country they live, many are playing VB 24/7 often in a sport school or academie. They often have lots of experience, often more than some of our local VB talent. If they are living away from home already in a boarding type of school, they are also more mature.
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Post by vbnerd on Apr 22, 2014 16:29:11 GMT -5
The number of 16-18 year olds in Latin America, Asia and Europe that have turned pro > the number of 16-18 year olds in the US have gone pro.
And before anyone says the US players are better at 28 or something referring to the national team, we have a population advantage. If you multiplied the Russian population x2, or the Italian population x5, or combined Cuba and the DR and multiplied that number x16 I'd take all 3 of those teams over the US. The New Jersey "national" team would get abused by Serbia despite being very similar in size.
Looking at arbitrarily drawn lines, should public universities be limited in recruiting out of state? Why should Florida taxpayers have to support the volleyball development of players from Texas and Maryland? Should we force Oklahoma to live on their home grown talent base?
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Post by hammer on Apr 22, 2014 20:50:08 GMT -5
I'd want to see statistics, mike. Given the number of girls we have, the variety of sports they can play (i.e. they're split between many athletic opportunities) and the popularity of VB in Europe, Russia, Asia and South America, I think talent, per capita might be better in Europe. Do you think we get the top talent, middle of the road or something else? I mean, it's unusual for true top talent to play in the US when they can make money in their leagues and play in their country's development pipeline. thoughts? I'm an aeronautical engineer. Don't ask me for a detailed evaluation of volleyball talent. But engineers are trained to look for ROM answers first. And to a rough order of magnitude, it is extremely likely that 95% of the world probably produces more volleyball talent than 5% does. So why wouldn't US coaches look outside the US? Yeah, ask Mick Haley. Rome (or should I say the Vatican) started looking outside of Italy for a Pope too. Sometimes the numbers are just so overwhelming you've got to go with the flow.
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Post by Volley1234 on Apr 23, 2014 14:49:30 GMT -5
The MEAC which is an HBCU conference is full of foreign players, the Hampton volleyball team had 8 foreign players many from eastern europe. Vendula Stravoka 6'1 RS (week 1 AVCA NPOTW), 1st team all region, honorable mention all america and VaSID POY. Apparently these girls are also on international scholarships so the team is free to use on other players.
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Post by Mocha on Apr 24, 2014 14:41:14 GMT -5
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Post by BearClause on Apr 24, 2014 15:46:48 GMT -5
USC water polo. For a while they had so many from the former Yugoslavia on their roster that the nickname was the "University of Southern Croatia". Currently it's 3 Australians.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 24, 2014 16:06:35 GMT -5
USC water polo. For a while they had so many from the former Yugoslavia on their roster that the nickname was the "University of Southern Croatia". Currently it's 3 Australians. Nobody blinks twice when you walk into a university physics lab and 1/2 the students there have non-US passports. Why should a sports team be different?
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