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Post by msg on Apr 24, 2014 20:16:14 GMT -5
inaccurate representation of the silicon valley
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Post by transformer on Apr 24, 2014 20:24:30 GMT -5
This whole thing is awful!i can not believe this is NCAA legal. If anyone knows these two coaches personality, can you ask why they would do this? This will be with them Forever, every college that recruits against them will bring this up... It's crazy.
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Post by Mocha on Apr 24, 2014 20:34:46 GMT -5
Were they inferring (or stating) that they weren't planning to keep any of the current players? Wow. SJSU has their 2014 roster posted, and minus the four graduated seniors, all but one of last year's team is returning. The only player not listed from last year appears to be setter Michaela Leonard. Rich Kern shows two incoming freshmen, Summer Avery and Sara Hibbs, but they wouldn't be shown on the roster until they enroll. So at this point, no major (published) changes. I am very curious to see how this plays out. Leonard is now at UCLA.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 24, 2014 20:54:37 GMT -5
This whole thing is awful!i can not believe this is NCAA legal. If anyone knows these two coaches personality, can you ask why they would do this? This will be with them Forever, every college that recruits against them will bring this up... It's crazy. They did much the same thing at CSUB, with some pretty good results. Got rid of pretty much every player from an 0-31 team, stocked up with JC transfers and Brazilians, won 21 matches and barely missed the NCAA tournament in 2013. Is it ethical, moral, and the like? Probably not. But winning tends to create short memories - if they turn around a moribund SJSU program, they'll get recruits.
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Post by Volley1234 on Apr 24, 2014 20:57:55 GMT -5
I don't care how successful they were with this method at CSU Bakersfield this is a disgrace to college sports! TWO TIMES. This is a grand total of 18 players that have been basically kicked out of a program at short notice?? I assume some of the girls then and now quit volleyball altogether. If they want to do this, just let the current players graduate like come on this is horrible. Last time I checked volleyball is not exactly a profit sport so why ruin some of these girls careers??? Shame on them.
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Post by mikegarrison on Apr 24, 2014 21:21:57 GMT -5
I don't care how successful they were with this method at CSU Bakersfield this is a disgrace to college sports! TWO TIMES. This is a grand total of 18 players that have been basically kicked out of a program at short notice?? I assume some of the girls then and now quit volleyball altogether. If they want to do this, just let the current players graduate like come on this is horrible. Last time I checked volleyball is not exactly a profit sport so why ruin some of these girls careers??? Shame on them. "Careers"? I assume anyone who has a legitimate chance of having a career as a volleyball player would be among those retained on the team. If by "career" you mean "scholarship opportunity and college experience" then maybe you have a point.
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Post by longintooth on Apr 24, 2014 21:54:27 GMT -5
If you can prosper on misinformation and conjecture, this is a table for you. The two Brazilians were the JC transfers at CSUB; the woods are full of potential transfers who "voluntarily" sought a release; Michaela Leonard used one of the "Voluntary Relinquishment of Aid" forms to initiate a transfer to UCLA; CSUB defeated both ASU and UofA in the Pac 12 Tournament last week; NCAA Bylaws 15.3.5 sets the procedure for non-renewal of athletic grants in aid; NCAA sets date by which notifications must be made and how to appeal a notification to the NCAA; Wyoming and University of Portland have both done the "sweep," the first after renewing all scholarships for the coach's first year, the second right in the middle of recruiting season; Division I coaches do not get automatic renewal of contracts; ADs approve this type of activity regularly in sports other than volleyball because that is what the NCAA permits; if you really want to see a mistreated group of volleyballers, consider the "recruited walk-ons" used to motivate scholarship players.
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Post by austintatious on Apr 24, 2014 22:00:59 GMT -5
More often than not I support a staff and their vision for their program... I have been read the release and given its verbiage and the timing I think that this situation is horrible! If the admin knew the whole time that their new staff would do this... They are just as culpable... Poor form from both parties! Jolene in my estimation, always had commitment issues, even as a player. Appalachian State, left there, went to U of Tampa, and then on to U of South Florida. Very talented, not the best teammate/leader. Always found it strange that she went in to coaching. Never saw it as a good fit. Ok, and before every one hammers me, this is my perception and opinion only.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 24, 2014 22:07:04 GMT -5
If you can prosper on misinformation and conjecture, this is a table for you. The two Brazilians were the JC transfers at CSUB; the woods are full of potential transfers who "voluntarily" sought a release; Michaela Leonard used one of the "Voluntary Relinquishment of Aid" forms to initiate a transfer to UCLA; CSUB defeated both ASU and UofA in the Pac 12 Tournament last week; NCAA Bylaws 15.3.5 sets the procedure for non-renewal of athletic grants in aid; NCAA sets date by which notifications must be made and how to appeal a notification to the NCAA; Wyoming and University of Portland have both done the "sweep," the first after renewing all scholarships for the coach's first year, the second right in the middle of recruiting season; Division I coaches do not get automatic renewal of contracts; ADs approve this type of activity regularly in sports other than volleyball because that is what the NCAA permits; if you really want to see a mistreated group of volleyballers, consider the "recruited walk-ons" used to motivate scholarship players. CSUB's roster included at least 7-8 transfers, including Americans, Brazilians, Chinese, Germans, and Canadians. And they only played the pairs competition in the Pac 12 Invitational, not the team event - so they did not "defeat" ASU or UA in that event. That said, Bako was not bad in sand this season - although that was more due to Olivia Waldowoski's coaching than anything else.
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Post by longintooth on Apr 24, 2014 22:07:36 GMT -5
Coaching runs in the family.
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Post by longintooth on Apr 24, 2014 22:09:16 GMT -5
Ask the ASU and UofA coaches about the score. Or, you can settle for what is claimed.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 24, 2014 22:11:31 GMT -5
If you can prosper on misinformation and conjecture, this is a table for you. The two Brazilians were the JC transfers at CSUB; the woods are full of potential transfers who "voluntarily" sought a release; Michaela Leonard used one of the "Voluntary Relinquishment of Aid" forms to initiate a transfer to UCLA; CSUB defeated both ASU and UofA in the Pac 12 Tournament last week; NCAA Bylaws 15.3.5 sets the procedure for non-renewal of athletic grants in aid; NCAA sets date by which notifications must be made and how to appeal a notification to the NCAA; Wyoming and University of Portland have both done the "sweep," the first after renewing all scholarships for the coach's first year, the second right in the middle of recruiting season; Division I coaches do not get automatic renewal of contracts; ADs approve this type of activity regularly in sports other than volleyball because that is what the NCAA permits; if you really want to see a mistreated group of volleyballers, consider the "recruited walk-ons" used to motivate scholarship players. Just like school on a Saturday....... NO CLASS
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Apr 24, 2014 22:20:18 GMT -5
Ask the ASU and UofA coaches about the score. Or, you can settle for what is claimed. I don't have to ask anybody, sparky, since I was there - The Roadrunners did not play either team in the Pac 12 Invitational, as they only played in the pairs competition. Guitare/Alvidrez had a pretty good run there, until they got smoked by a UA pair in the semi's. Now, CSUB did beat UA and ASU in individual dual matches earlier in the season, but that's not what you were claiming. At the same time, I'm not sure why sand VB is even in the discussion - neither Shepardson knows anything about the beach game, and the sand teams were mostly coached by Tori Grafeman (2013) and Olivia Waldowoski (can't remember her married name) this season. Edit...Wait a minute - CSUB did play ASU in the Pac 12 Invitational, now that I put my thinking cap on. They did not play UofA (who they played a week before at the Hermosa Invitational). So I heartily smack myself upside the head for being 50% dead wrong in public.
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Post by courtside on Apr 24, 2014 23:12:33 GMT -5
If you can prosper on misinformation and conjecture, this is a table for you. The two Brazilians were the JC transfers at CSUB; the woods are full of potential transfers who "voluntarily" sought a release; Michaela Leonard used one of the "Voluntary Relinquishment of Aid" forms to initiate a transfer to UCLA; CSUB defeated both ASU and UofA in the Pac 12 Tournament last week; NCAA Bylaws 15.3.5 sets the procedure for non-renewal of athletic grants in aid; NCAA sets date by which notifications must be made and how to appeal a notification to the NCAA; Wyoming and University of Portland have both done the "sweep," the first after renewing all scholarships for the coach's first year, the second right in the middle of recruiting season; Division I coaches do not get automatic renewal of contracts; ADs approve this type of activity regularly in sports other than volleyball because that is what the NCAA permits; if you really want to see a mistreated group of volleyballers, consider the "recruited walk-ons" used to motivate scholarship players. Actually, Micheala has wanted to leave San Jose long before this past spring.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Apr 25, 2014 0:10:08 GMT -5
Is it just me or is there generally something creepy about husband/wife coaching teams? When I've looked at the Rosens, Kreklows, etc, they just make my skin crawl. Let's not forget the Pawlikowskis.
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