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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 30, 2014 11:22:32 GMT -5
On our local news last night, a guy from the fire dept. said the valves had to be turned off in a certain order. Also said the pipes were 100 years old. What a mess. Water is in short supply in California. If only the state was close to an ocean... Can't drink the ocean, or water plants with it either. In the Mideast, where energy costs are very low but water costs are very high, some places rely on desalinization plants to get their water from the ocean. But that takes a lot of energy.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 30, 2014 11:24:06 GMT -5
They'll also have to figure out a way to pay for all of this as all state property in California is "self-insured" meaning there are no insurance policies to cover damages. With so much property, it's actually cheaper for the State to create a pool to deal with damages as they occur rather than pay premiums on each. Except, there really is no pool of money...
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Post by azvb on Jul 30, 2014 11:25:52 GMT -5
On our local news last night, a guy from the fire dept. said the valves had to be turned off in a certain order. Also said the pipes were 100 years old. What a mess. Water is in short supply in California. If only the state was close to an ocean... Well, you cant drink the ocean, or water your lawn with it, or fight fires with it (or can you?). My daughter near Sacramento said they can only water their lawn twice a week. And they only flush their toilets after #2. Which is tough when you're potty training, because the flush is a big reward for a 3 year old!
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Jul 30, 2014 11:33:28 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, Iowa State's floor flooded a couple of years ago and they had to play at a local high school. Maybe Marymount will be getting a phone call soon. Yes, the picture of the volleyball floor floating on top of the water (something like six or seven feet of the stuff - the creek next door flooded and Hilton is built on the flood plain) is a classic. ISU played the season at Ames High, which seats 2000 with people hanging from the rafters. p.s. I went to both schools.
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Post by BearClause on Jul 30, 2014 11:57:05 GMT -5
Pauley was built with the floor below ground level. They dug a pit and built the place around that pit. I heard that some people trying to drive out of underground parking garages on the UCLA campus were trapped. There are similarly built gyms. Maples at Stanford is built below ground level. From the ground level concourse, you go downstairs to get to the playing floor. Haas Pavilion in Berkeley has a basement, but the playing surface is above the outside ground level. I don't think anyone necessarily accounts for something like this. Most places would operate on the premise that water mains don't typically break, and when they do they should typically be shut off quickly before attempts to repair are made. Key Arena, where the Final Four was held last year, is well below ground level. In fact, I think it's quitr a bit further below ground level than it was originally. When the Sonics required expanded seating, the only way they could do it was to go down. It makes a lot of sense, really, given the steep seating bowls of the typical gym. Why build up when you can dig down instead? We've got quite a bit of experience with sports facilities that are built below ground or water level. In Oakland we've got the sewers that back up. At Candlestick Park, the field would get soggy even when it was dry. I get why it's convenient to build below ground. It's less structure that needs that needs to be built and possibly stronger as a result. Haas Pavilion is mostly above ground and it's a lot of structure. It is kind of nice to go on the stairway and catch view of San Francisco Bay though. Still - I don't get why a shallow bowl is such a great idea. I've been to Pauley, and that upper bowl is just way too far away from the action.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Jul 30, 2014 11:57:51 GMT -5
They'll also have to figure out a way to pay for all of this as all state property in California is "self-insured" meaning there are no insurance policies to cover damages. With so much property, it's actually cheaper for the State to create a pool to deal with damages as they occur rather than pay premiums on each. Except, there really is no pool of money... There should be a pool, what with all that water.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 30, 2014 12:00:40 GMT -5
They'll also have to figure out a way to pay for all of this as all state property in California is "self-insured" meaning there are no insurance policies to cover damages. With so much property, it's actually cheaper for the State to create a pool to deal with damages as they occur rather than pay premiums on each. Except, there really is no pool of money... There should be a pool, what with all that water. Indeed, there is.
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Post by BearClause on Jul 30, 2014 12:01:58 GMT -5
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 30, 2014 12:21:30 GMT -5
They'll also have to figure out a way to pay for all of this as all state property in California is "self-insured" meaning there are no insurance policies to cover damages. With so much property, it's actually cheaper for the State to create a pool to deal with damages as they occur rather than pay premiums on each. Except, there really is no pool of money... The UC system uses a combination of self-funded and commercial insurance for all of it's facilities. It's pretty likely the flood damage is covered (depending on the total amount of the actual loss and whatever the UC system's self-insured retention is...) Besides, it will probably only take Dan Guerrero a few phone calls to donors to get a new floor paid for.
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 30, 2014 12:35:59 GMT -5
They'll also have to figure out a way to pay for all of this as all state property in California is "self-insured" meaning there are no insurance policies to cover damages. With so much property, it's actually cheaper for the State to create a pool to deal with damages as they occur rather than pay premiums on each. Except, there really is no pool of money... Are you sure that sports venues aren't exempt? Considering the massive amount of litigation that surely arises from selfish fans in sports arenas, I find it hard to believe that arenas like Pauley don't have liability coverage, and if they have liability coverage they more than likely have property damage coverage. Whether it covers peril like this is unknown, but I'm confident the scores of graduates from UCLA law will get every penny they can. I also wouldn't count out a liability lawsuit against the city.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 30, 2014 12:56:37 GMT -5
I was specifically referring to property insurance, not liability insurance. I found this with a quick perusal on the web from Berkeley's policy. It appears to exclude flooding: riskservices.berkeley.edu/insurance-programs
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Post by oldmanred on Jul 30, 2014 14:31:27 GMT -5
Wouldn't the city or the utilities dept. bare responsibility for the water main break?
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Post by GoUCLA on Jul 30, 2014 14:35:47 GMT -5
Wouldn't the city or the utilities dept. bare responsibility for the water main break? They should be! The pipes have been around for 90+ years.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 30, 2014 14:38:59 GMT -5
Wouldn't the city or the utilities dept. bare responsibility for the water main break? They should be! The pipes have been around for 90+ years. Water is provided by a municipal agency, unlike electricity which is a public utility (corporation). Municipal agencies are government agencies and are generally exempt from liability.
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Post by oldmanred on Jul 30, 2014 14:50:25 GMT -5
They should be! The pipes have been around for 90+ years. Water is provided by a municipal agency, unlike electricity which is a public utility (corporation). Municipal agencies are government agencies and are generally exempt from liability. Tsk tsk! That would be a problem! GO HUSKERS
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