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Post by pepperbrooks on Jul 30, 2014 19:46:35 GMT -5
Sophomore year there were not 3 better players in the country. Last year Robinson and Vansant were better so she was the 3rd best OH and no worse than the 5th best player. She'll be a 3x Big 12 MVP, a 4 time All-American with 3 First Teams and a second team to her belt. She won AVCA Freshman of the Year and followed that with 3 POY awards (Volleyball Magazine x2, Cobra Magazine) in the last two seasons. Inconveniently for many, Haley Eckermann is on her way to what could be one of the greatest careers in the history of our sport, the best resume since Megan Hodge. Forgive me if I have a hard time taking seriously anyone who thinks there are 3 better players at her position. LOLOLOL Megan Hodge and Haley Eckerman in the same sentence is hilarious. Oh relax. No, Haley is not Megan Hodge, but she's really, really good, so calm down. But also, vbnerd, you can't expect anyone to take a post seriously when you count a Cobra POY award, which is about as credible as the old CVU.com "awards." And Volleyball magazine is only marginally better.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 30, 2014 20:46:10 GMT -5
Full disclosure, I went to a bunch of Cal games last year and me and my friends were absolutely shocked and bewildered that Higgins was 2nd team AA. A very capable player, but 2nd-team AA was a bit of a reach. I think Karsta Lowe would have been better suited in that spot. I think as far as Opposites go, it's Hamson, Nwanebu, and Lowe at the top this year. Ogbogu and Nichol make a case as well, unless they spend time in the Middle and Setter positions respectively. I saw Higgins' two matches in L.A. last season. She completely lit up UCLA, putting on a hitting clinic (.500 for the match). Then she and Nwanebu traded punches for five games, putting on a show in the USC match. Sure looked like an AA to me. Small sample size, perhaps. If Hamson comes in at (or above) the level she played at in 2012, she's a 1st team AA lock and in serious consideration for being the best RS. She was damn near unstoppable.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jul 30, 2014 21:03:14 GMT -5
Sophomore year there were not 3 better players in the country. Last year Robinson and Vansant were better so she was the 3rd best OH and no worse than the 5th best player. She'll be a 3x Big 12 MVP, a 4 time All-American with 3 First Teams and a second team to her belt. She won AVCA Freshman of the Year and followed that with 3 POY awards (Volleyball Magazine x2, Cobra Magazine) in the last two seasons. Inconveniently for many, Haley Eckermann is on her way to what could be one of the greatest careers in the history of our sport, the best resume since Megan Hodge. Forgive me if I have a hard time taking seriously anyone who thinks there are 3 better players at her position. LOLOLOL Megan Hodge and Haley Eckerman in the same sentence is hilarious. Come on. Haley and megan are obviously not the same level, but haley is national team material and an OUTSTANDING player. The best attacker right now. If she had better floor defense, she would be a lock for POY imo
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 21:15:18 GMT -5
LOLOLOL Megan Hodge and Haley Eckerman in the same sentence is hilarious. Come on. Haley and megan are obviously not the same level, but haley is national team material and an OUTSTANDING player. The best attacker right now. If she had better floor defense, she would be a lock for POY imo National Team material? Not on the left, and she's going to have a hell of a time finding time on the right. And, "the best attacker"...? What does that even mean? Overall? In the nation? That's ridiculous. She wasn't even the best pin attacker on her team during the past two seasons.
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Jul 30, 2014 21:20:43 GMT -5
depends on what you mean by better? Better attacker? No....Better all around player...yes there are three or more. Sophomore year there were not 3 better players in the country. Last year Robinson and Vansant were better so she was the 3rd best OH and no worse than the 5th best player. She'll be a 3x Big 12 MVP, a 4 time All-American with 3 First Teams and a second team to her belt. She won AVCA Freshman of the Year and followed that with 3 POY awards (Volleyball Magazine x2, Cobra Magazine) in the last two seasons. Inconveniently for many, Haley Eckermann is on her way to what could be one of the greatest careers in the history of our sport, the best resume since Megan Hodge. Forgive me if I have a hard time taking seriously anyone who thinks there are 3 better players at her position. How can she have the greatest career since Megan Hodge, when she doesn't even have the greatest career at her position in her class? Through her career, Vansant averages at least slightly higher than Eckerman in kills/s, hitting percentage, points/s, block/s, digs/s , serve receive percentage. The only thing Eckerman has more of are aces, which she more than cancels out with errors. Vansant also has been playing against a higher level of competition night in and night out with a much weaker supporting cast. Not to mention hr actual AVCA NPOY award. If we judge a player by how many conference POY they won, shouldn't Darcy Dorton have been proclaimed the best player last year? I agree that there are nto 3 players better than Eckerman, but don't pretend like she's been dominating college volleyball the last few years in Hodge, Tom or Nnamani fashion.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Jul 30, 2014 21:27:37 GMT -5
Come on. Haley and megan are obviously not the same level, but haley is national team material and an OUTSTANDING player. The best attacker right now. If she had better floor defense, she would be a lock for POY imo National Team material? Not on the left, and she's going to have a hell of a time finding time on the right. And, "the best attacker"...? What does that even mean? Overall? In the nation? That's ridiculous. She wasn't even the best pin attacker on her team during the past two seasons. She lead her team in points and kills last year. And yeah, she's absolutely in the pipeline for,the national team.
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Post by bballnut90 on Jul 30, 2014 21:30:40 GMT -5
Sophomore year there were not 3 better players in the country. Last year Robinson and Vansant were better so she was the 3rd best OH and no worse than the 5th best player. She'll be a 3x Big 12 MVP, a 4 time All-American with 3 First Teams and a second team to her belt. She won AVCA Freshman of the Year and followed that with 3 POY awards (Volleyball Magazine x2, Cobra Magazine) in the last two seasons. Inconveniently for many, Haley Eckermann is on her way to what could be one of the greatest careers in the history of our sport, the best resume since Megan Hodge. Forgive me if I have a hard time taking seriously anyone who thinks there are 3 better players at her position. How can she have the greatest career since Megan Hodge, when she doesn't even have the greatest career at her position in her class? Through her career, Vansant averages at least slightly higher than Eckerman in kills/s, hitting percentage, points/s, block/s, digs/s , serve receive percentage. The only thing Eckerman has more of are aces, which she more than cancels out with errors. Vansant also has been playing against a higher level of competition night in and night out with a much weaker supporting cast. Not to mention hr actual AVCA NPOY award. If we judge a player by how many conference POY they won, shouldn't Darcy Dorton have been proclaimed the best player last year? I agree that there are nto 3 players better than Eckerman, but don't pretend like she's been dominating college volleyball the last few years in Hodge, Tom or Nnamani fashion. I think it's a valid argument....Eckerman has won a National Championship and made 2 Final Fours. She has been the go to hitter for a phenomenal Texas squad for 3 straight years. 3x All American, twice first team and you could make a strong argument for Eckerman winning POY as a sophomore and junior. 2 Big 12 POY awards and still has a season to go. Who has been better than her since Megan Hodge? I think better players have played since Hodge, but better overall career? The only candidates I could see are: Alix Klineman-didn't make the Final Four without Foluke/Barboza, also didn't win an actual POY award Alex Jupiter-2 Final Fours and POY award, no championship though
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Post by holidayhusker on Jul 30, 2014 21:51:34 GMT -5
How can she have the greatest career since Megan Hodge, when she doesn't even have the greatest career at her position in her class? Through her career, Vansant averages at least slightly higher than Eckerman in kills/s, hitting percentage, points/s, block/s, digs/s , serve receive percentage. The only thing Eckerman has more of are aces, which she more than cancels out with errors. Vansant also has been playing against a higher level of competition night in and night out with a much weaker supporting cast. Not to mention hr actual AVCA NPOY award. If we judge a player by how many conference POY they won, shouldn't Darcy Dorton have been proclaimed the best player last year? I agree that there are nto 3 players better than Eckerman, but don't pretend like she's been dominating college volleyball the last few years in Hodge, Tom or Nnamani fashion. I think it's a valid argument....Eckerman has won a National Championship and made 2 Final Fours. She has been the go to hitter for a phenomenal Texas squad for 3 straight years. 3x All American, twice first team and you could make a strong argument for Eckerman winning POY as a sophomore and junior. 2 Big 12 POY awards and still has a season to go. Who has been better than her since Megan Hodge? I think better players have played since Hodge, but better overall career? The only candidates I could see are: Alix Klineman-didn't make the Final Four without Foluke/Barboza, also didn't win an actual POY award Alex Jupiter-2 Final Fours and POY award, no championship though and yet....she plays average defense. Not a complete player but a impressive attacker!! Lets judge Haley on the merit of her all around talent and not because she can hit with a big ," kaboom!"
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Post by bballnut90 on Jul 30, 2014 21:55:56 GMT -5
I think it's a valid argument....Eckerman has won a National Championship and made 2 Final Fours. She has been the go to hitter for a phenomenal Texas squad for 3 straight years. 3x All American, twice first team and you could make a strong argument for Eckerman winning POY as a sophomore and junior. 2 Big 12 POY awards and still has a season to go. Who has been better than her since Megan Hodge? I think better players have played since Hodge, but better overall career? The only candidates I could see are: Alix Klineman-didn't make the Final Four without Foluke/Barboza, also didn't win an actual POY award Alex Jupiter-2 Final Fours and POY award, no championship though and yet....she plays average defense. Not a complete player but a impressive attacker!! Lets judge Haley on the merit of her all around talent and not because she can hit with a big ," kaboom!" People would say the same thing about Hodge in college...
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Post by Longhorn20 on Jul 30, 2014 22:04:40 GMT -5
I think it's a valid argument....Eckerman has won a National Championship and made 2 Final Fours. She has been the go to hitter for a phenomenal Texas squad for 3 straight years. 3x All American, twice first team and you could make a strong argument for Eckerman winning POY as a sophomore and junior. 2 Big 12 POY awards and still has a season to go. Who has been better than her since Megan Hodge? I think better players have played since Hodge, but better overall career? The only candidates I could see are: Alix Klineman-didn't make the Final Four without Foluke/Barboza, also didn't win an actual POY award Alex Jupiter-2 Final Fours and POY award, no championship though and yet....she plays average defense. Not a complete player but a impressive attacker!! Lets judge Haley on the merit of her all around talent and not because she can hit with a big ," kaboom!" Hooker only had average defense until her senior year and then went on to start in the next Olympics as USA's top scorer. I'm not saying Eckerman is at the level Hooker is/was, just that you can't discredit someone's talent because of their average defense
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 22:09:58 GMT -5
National Team material? Not on the left, and she's going to have a hell of a time finding time on the right. And, "the best attacker"...? What does that even mean? Overall? In the nation? That's ridiculous. She wasn't even the best pin attacker on her team during the past two seasons. She lead her team in points and kills last year. And yeah, she's absolutely in the pipeline for,the national team. Points AND kills??? Cool! No other outside hitter ever does that!! WOWOWOWWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 22:11:16 GMT -5
and yet....she plays average defense. Not a complete player but a impressive attacker!! Lets judge Haley on the merit of her all around talent and not because she can hit with a big ," kaboom!" People would say the same thing about Hodge in college... No one with a brain would ever say that Hodge was an average defender in college.
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 30, 2014 22:54:24 GMT -5
How can she have the greatest career since Megan Hodge, when she doesn't even have the greatest career at her position in her class? Through her career, Vansant averages at least slightly higher than Eckerman in kills/s, hitting percentage, points/s, block/s, digs/s , serve receive percentage. The only thing Eckerman has more of are aces, which she more than cancels out with errors. Vansant also has been playing against a higher level of competition night in and night out with a much weaker supporting cast. Not to mention hr actual AVCA NPOY award. If we judge a player by how many conference POY they won, shouldn't Darcy Dorton have been proclaimed the best player last year? I agree that there are nto 3 players better than Eckerman, but don't pretend like she's been dominating college volleyball the last few years in Hodge, Tom or Nnamani fashion. Vansant had a much better 2013 and was rewarded with a POY honor. However, Vansant was not even HM All-American as a freshman when Eckerman was 2nd team. Vansant was 2nd team as a sophomore when Eckermann, may have been the best player in the country. Career wise Eckermann has a few more kills, Vansant's hitting percentage is .003 higher. Eckerman has 1517 points and Vansant has 1525. They are different and yet comparable. Vansant's team was 2-1, and 1-1 before making the final 4 last year, and has a 7-3 December record. Eckerman has made the Elite 8, National Title and Final Four to earn a 13-2 tournament record, and outside of Penn State that's about as good as it gets. And that isn't saying Vansant isn't a great player, and I actually think she has a brighter WNT career ahead of her, but who has had the better college career to date? I'm sorry, it's Eckerman. All that said, my issue isn't with Vansant vs Eckerman, its with any other OHs being put in that category. Bricio's atk % is lower than any season Eckerman has had and her PPS is higher than Eckerman's freshman year, but not at the level of her last two seasons. Courtney is a very different OH but for comparison sake Courtney had double digit digs 12 times and kills 13 times. Eckerman had double-digit digs only 11 times but had double-digit kills 27 times. Brenner's hitting % is .20 lower for their career and was .40 lower last season. Again, I'm not saying that any of these players are bad or inferior, we'd all take any of them on our team, but they just aren't as great as Eckerman has been to date.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 23:05:52 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for you to learn how to actually spell "Eckerman."
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jul 30, 2014 23:16:25 GMT -5
I'm just waiting for you to learn how to actually spell "Eckerman." yeah, because that actually changes the debate.
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