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Post by Wiswell on Oct 22, 2014 12:13:37 GMT -5
Naw, it's the Norwegian for Omigosh.
Interesting to me that this great schools are like the Little 10. That is, the great DIII is Minnesota and WI primarily.
I completely forgot about the legacy that is Juniata though. Not Juanita. As a former gubernatorial candidate once described it. She lost.
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Post by Rich Kern on Oct 22, 2014 13:18:32 GMT -5
I just updated the Pablo Composite Rankings on my site at www.richkern.com/vb/rankings/PabloComposite.asp for those who have access to my site. This shows the relative strengths of all DI, DII, DIII, and NAIA teams in one single table.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 22, 2014 14:01:46 GMT -5
I just updated the Pablo Composite Rankings on my site at www.richkern.com/vb/rankings/PabloComposite.asp for those who have access to my site. This shows the relative strengths of all DI, DII, DIII, and NAIA teams in one single table. Note that the biggest challenge for composite rankings is getting the D1 rankings right. D2, D3 and NAIA are pretty good together because there is a ton of comparison between them.
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Post by onfiya on Oct 22, 2014 15:00:31 GMT -5
So Rich, please explain this. Are you saying that there are hundreds of DII, DIII & NAIA teams that could beat a team like LaSalle, who you have at 749? Don't think so, but please enlighten me/us...
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Post by volleyball20102011 on Oct 22, 2014 15:17:18 GMT -5
So Rich, please explain this. Are you saying that there are hundreds of DII, DIII & NAIA teams that could beat a team like LaSalle, who you have at 749? Don't think so, but please enlighten me/us... There are plenty of d3 and d2 programs that would beat a number of d1 teams
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 22, 2014 15:23:00 GMT -5
So Rich, please explain this. Are you saying that there are hundreds of DII, DIII & NAIA teams that could beat a team like LaSalle, who you have at 749? Don't think so, but please enlighten me/us... This tells me you don't know much about the other Divisions of volleyball.... And yes, there are a lot of teams in the other divisions that could beat LaSalle. A LOT.
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Post by onfiya on Oct 22, 2014 15:53:44 GMT -5
So Rich, please explain this. Are you saying that there are hundreds of DII, DIII & NAIA teams that could beat a team like LaSalle, who you have at 749? Don't think so, but please enlighten me/us... This tells me you don't know much about the other Divisions of volleyball.... And yes, there are a lot of teams in the other divisions that could beat LaSalle. A LOT. No, "this tells me you don't know much about the" English language. I didn't say that there weren't DII, DIII and NAIA teams capable of beating LaSalle. I simply question whether there are 444 of them, since LaSalle is #305 among DI schools. I find that very, very, very hard to believe, especially since the Explorers have beaten 8 DI schools this year. It's ok. Just let me know if you need some help, past participles and future perfect progressive verbs always gave me fits...
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 22, 2014 16:16:23 GMT -5
I like the "purity" of Div III (i.e., no athletic scholarships/aid, athletic departments treated like all other departments at the school) and yet, I'm a hypocrite because I don't actually watch Div III sports.
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Post by d3follower on Oct 22, 2014 17:21:46 GMT -5
I like the "purity" of Div III (i.e., no athletic scholarships/aid, athletic departments treated like all other departments at the school) and yet, I'm a hypocrite because I don't actually watch Div III sports. Tonight would be as good of a time as any to start. Top-ranked Hope plays No. 3 Calvin at 6:30 eastern. I can't guarantee it will be the greatest match, but I can say it's the best rivalry in the division.
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Post by Not Me on Oct 22, 2014 17:38:23 GMT -5
I like the "purity" of Div III (i.e., no athletic scholarships/ Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Funniest post on VT I've read in a long time.
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Post by Rich Kern on Oct 22, 2014 17:56:57 GMT -5
This tells me you don't know much about the other Divisions of volleyball.... And yes, there are a lot of teams in the other divisions that could beat LaSalle. A LOT. No, "this tells me you don't know much about the" English language. I didn't say that there weren't DII, DIII and NAIA teams capable of beating LaSalle. I simply question whether there are 444 of them, since LaSalle is #305 among DI schools. I find that very, very, very hard to believe, especially since the Explorers have beaten 8 DI schools this year. It's ok. Just let me know if you need some help, past participles and future perfect progressive verbs always gave me fits... Sorry if my "English is not perfect but I think you mean "La Salle" which is the proper English spelling of the team according to their website. However, yes, that is what it is saying. I don't generate the rankings and only publish them but according the author "Note that the biggest challenge for composite rankings is getting the D1 rankings right. D2, D3 and NAIA are pretty good together because there is a ton of comparison between them.". I assume this means that extrapolation must be done with limited information but whether the number is 444 or more or less, I don't have any problem believing that a WHOLE LOT of non-DI teams can beat one of the lowest ranking DI teams.
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Post by vbnerd on Oct 22, 2014 21:06:40 GMT -5
This tells me you don't know much about the other Divisions of volleyball.... And yes, there are a lot of teams in the other divisions that could beat LaSalle. A LOT. No, "this tells me you don't know much about the" English language. I didn't say that there weren't DII, DIII and NAIA teams capable of beating LaSalle. I simply question whether there are 444 of them, since LaSalle is #305 among DI schools. I find that very, very, very hard to believe, especially since the Explorers have beaten 8 DI schools this year. It's ok. Just let me know if you need some help, past participles and future perfect progressive verbs always gave me fits... Division I is not a designation as to the quality of a volleyball team. It is a designation mainly of scholarship limits and of course there are conferences out there that only max their scholarships for men's and women's basketball. There are D1's with private school tuition who only offer 2-4 scholarships to cut up among their 12 players. Some players pass up D1 to go to a smaller or more academic school than they could play D1 for. The Minnisota D2's and D3's are full of D1 players who just didn't want to leave Minnesota, which only has 1 D1 team and way more talent than Minnesota can take. This is LaSalle's first season with a FT coach and many other D1 coaches are making in the $30k's while there are small college and club coaches making 2x and 3x that amount. There are D2/D3/NAIA schools with better facilities than the bottom half of D1. If the LaSalles and the other bottom D1 teams aren't committed to attracting playing or coaching talent that is as good as the top D2/D3/NAIA schools then there really isn't any reason to expect them to beat those teams.
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Post by onfiya on Oct 22, 2014 22:34:41 GMT -5
I think I can go for "some" DII, DIII & NAIA's being very good. Just have a hard time believing there are 400+ of them, better than a lower tier DI program. I would assume that outside of the top 25-50 or so in those division, you have teams full of players that aren't capable of playing at the DI level and probably not a lot of height and physicality. Do they ever play one another?
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 22, 2014 23:36:40 GMT -5
I think I can go for "some" DII, DIII & NAIA's being very good. Just have a hard time believing there are 400+ of them, better than a lower tier DI program. I would assume that outside of the top 25-50 or so in those division, you have teams full of players that aren't capable of playing at the DI level and probably not a lot of height and physicality. Do they ever play one another? Define "capable of playing at the DI level". There is a huge spectrum of volleyball ability at the DI level, just the same as every other level. The top of DI is clearly the highest of the group, but that isn't to say there aren't some spectacular athletes at the other divisions, not to mention teams the can compete. They don't necessarily have the height, but that doesn't mean they can't play. As I said before, it is beyond obvious that you are not familiar with other levels of volleyball (and in case you are wondering, my reading comprehension skills are perfectly fine, past participles and future progressive verbs and all). I've coached and worked at every level of volleyball, and even played collegiately at one of those DIII teams ranked way above La Salle (and yes, we even played them a few times and absolutely thumped them). As Rich said, the rankings are an approximation, but they are usually pretty close.
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Post by vbnerd on Oct 23, 2014 0:01:13 GMT -5
How many D2/D3/NAIA games do you go to in a given year?
Do you at least have a Richkern.com subscription?
Here are a couple of highlights for you...
Grambling lost in 4 to Wiley, Pablo 141 in NAIA.
Alcorn State lost to Belhaven (11-15, NAIA 158) who has lost to two D3's including Rhodes (D3 268). Alcorn also lost to Tougaloo (7-16, pablo of NAIA 213) and was blown out by Mississippi College who is a D3 reclassifying to D2.
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