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Post by holidayhusker on Aug 10, 2014 11:44:20 GMT -5
Dear John....move Amber to the left and give it a whirl. Thanks for your consideration. If it doesn't pan out I will apologize profusely.
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Post by LovePennState on Aug 10, 2014 11:52:08 GMT -5
I think Robinson played 7 years at SPVB, 3 years at Tennessee, and 5 months at Nebraska. Also, are you implying Larson would not be playing on the NT if she had played at Illinois, Cal, or Kentucky?
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Post by lepetitfromage on Aug 10, 2014 11:57:21 GMT -5
I have really changed my opinion about the Huskers. There's something to be said when all of Cook's OHs are getting it done in all 6 rotations. Most schools sub out their hitters in the back row, so I was surprised to see that it was Dani Mancuso (2006) when they last used a back-row sub for a left-side hitter. For the future of USA volleyball, I wish more coaches valued developing their players into 6-rotation starters and took risks doing so, instead of taking the easy way out and subbing them in and out. There's a reason why Larson and Robinson are on the NT and Kadie Rolfzen will probably be a future starter on the NT. Cook not only works on developing them as 6-rotation players, but he also specifically recruits players capable of it. Everyone loves the big-time terminator, and with the sub rules in college maybe recruiting them is the smarter move, but I appreciate an OH that can do it all. Indeed. I wonder if Houghtelling, one of the most impressive outsides I have seen in the NCAA, would have had a shot on the NT if she never got injured. The 2007 squad must have had epic (albeit catty) practices with Jordan, Houghtelling, Pavan and an up-and-coming Banwarth. Side note: who on here thinks Pavan would be our starting OPP had she nationalized?
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Post by lepetitfromage on Aug 10, 2014 12:04:29 GMT -5
I think Robinson played 7 years at SPVB, 3 years at Tennessee, and 5 months at Nebraska. Also, are you implying Larson would not be playing on the NT if she had played at Illinois, Cal, or Kentucky? Hard to answer. Do these programs push athletes to their full potential as hard as Nebraska, Stanford or PSU? Intangibles like a program's legacy, facilities, fans, and networking can really push athletes to their very best. I feel Hambly has had some great talent in his gym but they never play with any fire beneath them. The point I'm making is how some coaches prefer maximizing their substitutions while others work to develop the players into 6-rotation "specialists". Kelsey and Jordan were anomalies to the game of volleyball. However, players like Houghtelling, Mueller, and Werth really became known for their digging and passing after working with the coaches.
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Post by lepetitfromage on Aug 10, 2014 12:40:11 GMT -5
Bump
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 10, 2014 13:25:28 GMT -5
I have really changed my opinion about the Huskers. There's something to be said when all of Cook's OHs are getting it done in all 6 rotations. Most schools sub out their hitters in the back row, so I was surprised to see that it was Dani Mancuso (2006) when they last used a back-row sub for a left-side hitter. For the future of USA volleyball, I wish more coaches valued developing their players into 6-rotation starters and took risks doing so, instead of taking the easy way out and subbing them in and out. There's a reason why Larson and Robinson are on the NT and Kadie Rolfzen will probably be a future starter on the NT. Cook not only works on developing them as 6-rotation players, but he also specifically recruits players capable of it. Everyone loves the big-time terminator, and with the sub rules in college maybe recruiting them is the smarter move, but I appreciate an OH that can do it all. It's not like Cook is turning lemons into lemonade. Firstly, Robinson had like 6 months with Cook, and was already an experienced skilled 6 rotation OH that was a conference POY and All American. Larson was the #2 rated recruit in her year, long pegged as a true 6 rotation OH before Cook even got his hands on her. In fact, I'd argue that Larson's game took the biggest leap once she LEFT Nebraska. And as for Kadie Rolfzen as a future starter as a 6 rotation player for our national team, well...time will tell, no need to pump up Cook's pedigree for something that is pure speculation at this point. My point is the reason why players like Robinson and Larson are on the National Team are more to do with them as players, not necessarily Cook's "unique" qualities. Obviously Cook is a very high quality and knowledgable coach, but he's not the only coach developing quality 6 rotation players...and every top program (other than Texas) specifically recruit high quality 6 rotation outsides. It's not like other programs didn't "specifically" recruit Larson and the Rolfzens.
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Post by jasonr on Aug 10, 2014 14:04:09 GMT -5
There's a reason why Larson and Robinson are on the NT and Kadie Rolfzen will probably be a future starter on the NT. Cook not only works on developing them as 6-rotation players, but he also specifically recruits players capable of it. Everyone loves the big-time terminator, and with the sub rules in college maybe recruiting them is the smarter move, but I appreciate an OH that can do it all. It's not like Cook is turning lemons into lemonade. Firstly, Robinson had like 6 months with Cook, and was already an experienced skilled 6 rotation OH that was a conference POY and All American. Larson was the #2 rated recruit in her year, long pegged as a true 6 rotation OH before Cook even got his hands on her. In fact, I'd argue that Larson's game took the biggest leap once she LEFT Nebraska. And as for Kadie Rolfzen as a future starter as a 6 rotation player for our national team, well...time will tell, no need to pump up Cook's pedigree for something that is pure speculation at this point. My point is the reason why players like Robinson and Larson are on the National Team are more to do with them as players, not necessarily Cook's "unique" qualities. Obviously Cook is a very high quality and knowledgable coach, but he's not the only coach developing quality 6 rotation players...and every top program (other than Texas) specifically recruit high quality 6 rotation outsides. It's not like other programs didn't "specifically" recruit Larson and the Rolfzens. Reference the 2nd part of my 2nd sentence which you quoted. Did I not address recruiting the right players who are capable of developing that type of skill set? At any point did I explicitly state or even imply that Cook was taking run-of-the-mill OHs and creating 6-rotation studs? People need to stop arguing against parts of statements and address the whole statement. That's not a criticism reserved for just you, but everyone on this site. The strawmanning and selectivity in arguments is disingenuous.
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Post by hammer on Aug 10, 2014 14:33:58 GMT -5
The flush toilet was the world's greatest invention ... might be time to flush it.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 10, 2014 14:56:42 GMT -5
I'm not gonna lie, I cringe when people give cook all the credit for Robinson. Yeah she developed much better under him and I don't doubt that in her eyes, she is a husker. But let us not forget she was already an ALL American at Tennessee, and was already a VERY good volleyball player. So even though I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, I just can't see it when people attribute Kelsey being so great because of cook.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 10, 2014 14:58:43 GMT -5
It's not like Cook is turning lemons into lemonade. Firstly, Robinson had like 6 months with Cook, and was already an experienced skilled 6 rotation OH that was a conference POY and All American. Larson was the #2 rated recruit in her year, long pegged as a true 6 rotation OH before Cook even got his hands on her. In fact, I'd argue that Larson's game took the biggest leap once she LEFT Nebraska. And as for Kadie Rolfzen as a future starter as a 6 rotation player for our national team, well...time will tell, no need to pump up Cook's pedigree for something that is pure speculation at this point. My point is the reason why players like Robinson and Larson are on the National Team are more to do with them as players, not necessarily Cook's "unique" qualities. Obviously Cook is a very high quality and knowledgable coach, but he's not the only coach developing quality 6 rotation players...and every top program (other than Texas) specifically recruit high quality 6 rotation outsides. It's not like other programs didn't "specifically" recruit Larson and the Rolfzens. Reference the 2nd part of my 2nd sentence which you quoted. Did I not address recruiting the right players who are capable of developing that type of skill set? At any point did I explicitly state or even imply that Cook was taking run-of-the-mill OHs and creating 6-rotation studs? People need to stop arguing against parts of statements and address the whole statement. That's not a criticism reserved for just you, but everyone on this site. The strawmanning and selectivity in arguments is disingenuous. I believe I did address the whole statement. I talked about development and recruiting, which is what your argument was, correct? I feel like you are implying that these players are succeeding as 6 rotation OH's on the NT BECAUSE they went to Nebraska. Is this not what you are saying?
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 10, 2014 15:02:09 GMT -5
Reference the 2nd part of my 2nd sentence which you quoted. Did I not address recruiting the right players who are capable of developing that type of skill set? At any point did I explicitly state or even imply that Cook was taking run-of-the-mill OHs and creating 6-rotation studs? People need to stop arguing against parts of statements and address the whole statement. That's not a criticism reserved for just you, but everyone on this site. The strawmanning and selectivity in arguments is disingenuous. I believe I did address the whole statement. I talked about development and recruiting, which is what your argument was, correct? I feel like you are implying that these players are succeeding as 6 rotation OH's on the NT BECAUSE they went to Nebraska. Is this not what you are saying? That's what I inferred. Larson can be attributed to cooks success, but not Robinson IMO.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 10, 2014 15:03:43 GMT -5
I'm not gonna lie, I cringe when people give cook all the credit for Robinson. Yeah she developed much better under him and I don't doubt that in her eyes, she is a husker. But let us not forget she was already an ALL American at Tennessee, and was already a VERY good volleyball player. So even though I'll probably get a lot of hate for this, I just can't see it when people attribute Kelsey being so great because of cook. Why hate? It's the truth! She was already a great OH before she went to Nebraska. She got better at Nebraska most likely as a combination of better coaching styles and systems fitting her strengths, and a more competitive gym and conference to iron out her weaknesses. Maybe something just clicked and the change environment had little to do with it, but rather just something intangible and internal (ala Tarrah Murrey)....who knows? But what we DO know is that she already had those skills, and was already utilizing them at a high level before Nebraska, this much cannot be denied.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 10, 2014 15:06:26 GMT -5
I believe I did address the whole statement. I talked about development and recruiting, which is what your argument was, correct? I feel like you are implying that these players are succeeding as 6 rotation OH's on the NT BECAUSE they went to Nebraska. Is this not what you are saying? That's what I inferred. Larson can be attributed to cooks success, but not Robinson IMO. I think Larson is an interesting case. Firstly, she was already a great all around OH as the #2 rated recruit. She would have flourished at all reputable schools. She was a homegrown Nebraskan and decided to stay close to home (like many players do), I don't think anything more needs to be made of it. Cook progressed her skills like any good coach should be able to do, but IMO it wasn't some extraordinary leap. Like I said, I think she took the biggest leap in her game once she left Nebraska.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Aug 10, 2014 15:10:04 GMT -5
That's what I inferred. Larson can be attributed to cooks success, but not Robinson IMO. I think Larson is an interesting case. Firstly, she was already a great all around OH as the #2 rated recruit. She would have flourished at all reputable schools. She was a homegrown Nebraskan and decided to stay close to home (like many players do), I don't think anything more needs to be made of it. Cook progressed her skills like any good coach should be able to do, but IMO it wasn't some extraordinary leap. Like I said, I think she took the biggest leap in her game once she left Nebraska. Oh I agree. It's not like he developed some underrated talent at like number 48 and made her into an all American and amazing player. He got an amazing player and maintained that. He's one of the best coaches In the NCAA by far (even though I disagree with his demeanor ALOT.) what I meant was Larson spent all years at Nebraska so I consider her development from cook. And I agree. If I recall, no one predicted Larson would be one of the best 3 OH, in the world when she left Nebraska and she did. She definitely blossomed our of college
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