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Post by bball on Aug 29, 2014 7:01:19 GMT -5
Well....this is an interesting turn of events. Do all of you still think that Amber should be on the right side? If she doesn't play all the way around......what a waste of talent. Red, I understand your thought process on Amber moving to the left, but last season, the one rotation she could swing on the left they usually stacked Kadie out there and had her hit a 5 or had Kadie come in for a 2. Amber was hardly used in rotation 1 outside during that serve receive. If she was leaps and bounds better than the rest on the outside like you think she is, I'm sure Cook would move her there in a heart beat, so maybe there is some logic to his madness. .......hum my head hurts! Though I hate the decision of using Kira out there to hit over Amber, it would more than likely be best for the team. My Amber just wasn't putting the ball down. This is a heart breaker. But it just puts more trust in Cook for me, he does what's best for the team. I'd love to see Amber LEFT, but Cook would too if it was best for the team right now. Especially since he went with Ostrander over Fien, he will make the tough choice. I think we are just going to have to trust that Cook did the right and best thing for the team, because he would. Wishful thinking doesn't always pan out on the court. There will be LOTSSSSS of substitutions during these matches though. Jeesh!
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 29, 2014 7:27:40 GMT -5
Kadie Rolfzen is our go-to left-side, but she needs some time and some breathing room! The pressure being placed on her right now is enormous, overwhelming, excessive, etc. The comparisons to Robinson are void, IMO. Kadie Rolfzen needs to play like Kadie Rolfzen, not Kelsey Robinson. They're two different people, two different players, on two different teams, during two different years. This could be Kadie's coming-of-age season, but every good coming-of-age story has bumps along the way. --- #100thpost #volleytalk #bumpsexpectedwho is putting "overwhelming and excessive pressure on her?" If its fans on vtalk she wouldn't know or care. Of course she is a different person and player, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't look for her to fill the void Robinson left with her play. She was arguably the top recruit in her class, had an incredible freshman season, she also chose to go to the highest profile program in the country by a long shot in her home state. I do agree that Kadie should play like Kadie, The expectation level of "herself" should be that she play at the AA level. That would be Kadie playing like she can. She should also expect to increase her role and responsibilities from last year, growth should be expected.
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Post by bball on Aug 29, 2014 7:40:06 GMT -5
I feel Kadie is a better player at her age than Jordan Larson was her freshman season. She's a stud! (I CANNOT WAIT FOR ALL THE NEW POSTS REGARDING THIS COMMENT!!!!) hehe #istandbyit Now..... if we could just light a fire underneath my Amber!
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Post by jasonr on Aug 29, 2014 7:43:58 GMT -5
You're using one scrimmage as a measuring stick. That's not me strawmanning, that's you making a tacit claim. It's only made more sad by the fact you're trying to act as though you're not trying to make that claim since it wasn't explicit. You didn't bring up Kira's stats vis-a-vis Amber's for no reason. The implication was obvious, as obvious as your strange (slightly creepy) fascination with Kira. If you said this crap to me in person you'd get a beer tossed in your face. I brought up her stats simply cuz after only four days being moved to RS she out hit, out served and out blocked Amber. It's simply something to take note of and track for further development's. PERIOD !!! You saying I'm using one scrimmage as a measuring stick when I've made it CLEAR that I'm not is you strawmanning to the max. A perfect paradigm for strawmanning in fact. You still don't understand the concept of a strawman fallacy. Again, you're using the scrimmage stats to make a tacit claim and now you're trying to act like you didn't. Not being explicit is your cowardly way of trying to avoid the very accusation I'm making. No one that knows your posting history thinks you just brought those stats up to track her development on the right. If that were the case, you wouldn't be framing it in relation to Amber. As for the beer comment, go hang another Kira Larson poster on your wall and write in your diary about all the badass things you'd do to the mean guy on the internet.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 29, 2014 7:48:20 GMT -5
I feel Kadie is a better player at her age than Jordan Larson was her freshman season. She's a stud! (I CANNOT WAIT FOR ALL THE NEW POSTS REGARDING THIS COMMENT!!!!) hehe #istandbyit Now..... if we could just light a fire underneath my Amber! I have no problem with the statement Kadie had as good a year or better than Jordan did as a freshman.
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Post by jasonr on Aug 29, 2014 7:53:29 GMT -5
I'm still not sure why everyone is debating the starting line-ups and rotations. Nothing will be set until conference play. I think everyone put too much emphasis on Cook saying the scrimmage was a time for players to earn their spot. He overstated that a bit. It mattered, but the non-conference season will matter more. For example, Pollmiller is starting and Hunter is redshirting. I guarantee if Pollmiller is lousy against FSU, Stanford, and Texas, I'm talking about the Huskers getting crushed, then he'll bench her and pull Hunter's redshirt. Nothing is set in stone other than Kadie and Justine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 8:16:45 GMT -5
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Post by milkmandan on Aug 29, 2014 8:37:54 GMT -5
For example, Pollmiller is starting and Hunter is redshirting. I guarantee if Pollmiller is lousy against FSU, Stanford, and Texas, I'm talking about the Huskers getting crushed, then he'll bench her and pull Hunter's redshirt. I really think this is the one thing they're definitely committed to. Mary is not getting benched this year. They've weighed this decision for several weeks and want Hunter to have three years as the starter. Cook thinks she could be a truly elite setter during her career but the only way she comes out of that redshirt is if there's a season-ending injury to Pollmiller.
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Post by jasonr on Aug 29, 2014 9:23:09 GMT -5
For example, Pollmiller is starting and Hunter is redshirting. I guarantee if Pollmiller is lousy against FSU, Stanford, and Texas, I'm talking about the Huskers getting crushed, then he'll bench her and pull Hunter's redshirt. I really think this is the one thing they're definitely committed to. Mary is not getting benched this year. They've weighed this decision for several weeks and want Hunter to have three years as the starter. Cook thinks she could be a truly elite setter during her career but the only way she comes out of that redshirt is if there's a season-ending injury to Pollmiller. Doesn't matter. Cook isn't going to tank a season just to save Hunter's eligibility. If Nebraska was getting thumped in the non-conference, and it was clearly due to setting, Hunter's redshirt would be pulled without hesitation. I don't expect it to happen, but the option certainly exists. Nebraska is a program that plays for today, not tomorrow. Every season matters. The reason Cook made the decision is because he didn't see big enough separation between the two for it to make sense to keep experimenting into the season at that position. They were graded out closely, so playing the senior captain and redshirting the sophomore is just reasonable.
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Post by holidayhusker on Aug 29, 2014 9:23:36 GMT -5
Well....this is an interesting turn of events. Do all of you still think that Amber should be on the right side? If she doesn't play all the way around......what a waste of talent. Red, I understand your thought process on Amber moving to the left, but last season, the one rotation she could swing on the left they usually stacked Kadie out there and had her hit a 5 or had Kadie come in for a 2. Amber was hardly used in rotation 1 outside during that serve receive. If she was leaps and bounds better than the rest on the outside like you think she is, I'm sure Cook would move her there in a heart beat, so maybe there is some logic to his madness. No....Bball and my comments got absolutely hammered by the self appointed volleytalk experts concerning moving Amber to L2. Their argument was that NO ONE could replace Amber as the right side blocker and that she would NOT BE MOVED. Well? Whats the debate now. Cook is considering playing Larson in front row for Amber? How many of you think that Ostrander is a better all around player, hitter, blocker, etc, than Amber? Unlike bball, I am not completely convinced of Johns strategy .
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Post by baywatcher on Aug 29, 2014 11:42:53 GMT -5
How to put this nicely? I hope Stanford is instrumental in forcing a revision to this thinking?
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Post by hochee on Aug 29, 2014 12:39:09 GMT -5
Would be curious if anyone can point to an example of RS who attacked predominantly off one foot? I'd also be curious to know who elevates higher off two feet blocking: Polmiller or Larson.
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Post by Nside on Aug 29, 2014 12:51:20 GMT -5
Would be curious if anyone can point to an example of RS who attacked predominantly off one foot? I'd also be curious to know who elevates higher off two feet blocking: Polmiller or Larson. Erin Waller of Stanford comes to mind. Then there's Michigan, San Diego, and previous Iowa State (K. Peterson) who've used players in that capacity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:53:08 GMT -5
Would be curious if anyone can point to an example of RS who attacked predominantly off one foot? I'd also be curious to know who elevates higher off two feet blocking: Polmiller or Larson. Probably the attacker... Recent RSs who attacked off one leg: Claire McElheny, Abby Cole, Alyssah Fitterer, Erin Waller, Sha'Dare McNeal, and countless others. Blair Brown ran quite a few slides/quick attacks in serve-receive for Penn State back in the day too.
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Post by hochee on Aug 29, 2014 13:00:10 GMT -5
Each case is unique of course but redshirting Kelly reinforces my belief Lauren should have redshirted when she returned to Lincoln from Westwood. Sydney deserved to set that team as a senior by herself and imagine Lauren setting last year's team. Wow.
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