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Post by tomclen on Aug 25, 2014 21:35:40 GMT -5
Wisconsin will have excellent talent. The key will be can they handle the pressure that did not exist last year. The Badgers should attempt to fly a little more under the radar than what I have observed in this off-season. Huh? I suspect rock City Bomber is suggesting few people had great expectations for Wisconsin last year and they outperformed expectations. They were a tourney dark horse. This year many are looking for them to repeat or exceed last year's finish, so they may have a target on their back. Whether any of that makes sense or matters...who knows?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 25, 2014 21:47:54 GMT -5
Sin City: A Dame to Kill For
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Post by azvb on Aug 25, 2014 22:02:18 GMT -5
Why are there 9 teams in the top 10?
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Post by tomclen on Aug 25, 2014 22:09:39 GMT -5
Why are there 9 teams in the top 10? Adjusted for inflation.
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Post by volleylearner on Aug 25, 2014 22:23:08 GMT -5
Guess I don't see where this is 'mean' or anyone needs to 'rag' on teams. Just looking for insightful analysis others may have. The meanness comes from the phrasing that makes it sound like a team is underachieving when in fact it could be (and more often is the case) that the external expectations are too high. If, for example, you had expressed the poll as "which team are people's expectations the most unrealistic?" then that would not have been mean.
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Post by MTC on Aug 26, 2014 0:48:11 GMT -5
I just hope Penn State realizes how fortunate they were last year and doesn't get their hopes too high since they have 8 freshmen. Hopefully they will improve during the fall and have some players step up again this year. This year will be a battlefield of the minds and bodies to see who has the best endurance on the court. The important thing is to remain positive and use losses as stepping stones to refine your game.
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Post by tomclen on Aug 26, 2014 1:38:50 GMT -5
Guess I don't see where this is 'mean' or anyone needs to 'rag' on teams. Just looking for insightful analysis others may have. The meanness comes from the phrasing that makes it sound like a team is underachieving when in fact it could be (and more often is the case) that the external expectations are too high. If, for example, you had expressed the poll as "which team are people's expectations the most unrealistic?" then that would not have been mean. If this was an NCAA football or men's basketball message board I can't imagine anyone suggesting this thread or the language in the poll was mean. Your language suggests you'd prefer we be mean to those boorish fans and the horrifying expectations they are imposing on these delicate flowers playing lady sports.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 26, 2014 6:53:45 GMT -5
Why the hate for Wisconsin? Most of Wisconsin's preseason hype is based on their tournament run last year, which was way better than their regular season. We all know what happened to Michigan who had a similar year in 2012. I do think 2014 Wisconsin will be better than 2013 Michigan, but I'm not sure I buy them as the #6 team in the country. How Wisconsin does will be one of the most interesting storylines this season. The similarities to 2012 Michigan are easy - however there are many things that show 2013 Wisconsin was clearly a better team than 2012 Michigan and that the Big 10 landscape in 2014 is much more favorable than 2013. Plus they have Carlini.
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 26, 2014 7:43:58 GMT -5
I suspect rock City Bomber is suggesting few people had great expectations for Wisconsin last year and they outperformed expectations. They were a tourney dark horse. This year many are looking for them to repeat or exceed last year's finish, so they may have a target on their back. Whether any of that makes sense or matters...who knows? Oh, I get that. What I don't understand is this..."The Badgers should attempt to fly a little more under the radar than what I have observed in this off-season." WTW?!?!?! If they stay out of the news, or don't publicize recruits that will someone remove a target from their back or allow them to be incognito? That is, perhaps, the more short-sighted, unintelligent comment I've ever read. I've started drafting an explanation twice, but I think this comment is so off-point and irrelevant that it doesn't justify a response. Suffice it to say, publicity and relevance is critical to landing top recruits. Deal with the jealousy, the target, etc...when you're on the court, but do your best to be relevant and in the forefront of recruits minds prior to that. Silly, silly comment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 8:06:56 GMT -5
Very simple SportBucky, did Wisconsin have expectations last year? Do they have them this year? It is a different can of worms...
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 26, 2014 8:07:19 GMT -5
I'm wondering that, too. I think Wisconsin will be pretty solid this year. If the expectation is runner up or better, that's why you are seeing people say they will disappoint.
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Post by akbar on Aug 26, 2014 8:07:41 GMT -5
I suspect rock City Bomber is suggesting few people had great expectations for Wisconsin last year and they outperformed expectations. They were a tourney dark horse. This year many are looking for them to repeat or exceed last year's finish, so they may have a target on their back. Whether any of that makes sense or matters...who knows? Oh, I get that. What I don't understand is this..."The Badgers should attempt to fly a little more under the radar than what I have observed in this off-season." WTW?!?!?! If they stay out of the news, or don't publicize recruits that will someone remove a target from their back or allow them to be incognito? That is, perhaps, the more short-sighted, unintelligent comment I've ever read. I've started drafting an explanation twice, but I think this comment is so off-point and irrelevant that it doesn't justify a response. Suffice it to say, publicity and relevance is critical to landing top recruits. Deal with the jealousy, the target, etc...when you're on the court, but do your best to be relevant and in the forefront of recruits minds prior to that. Silly, silly comment. This poll result is not surprising at all. Wisconsin had a terrific run last year but there are obviously people who are; suspect of how good they really are. Annoyed at how they conduct business in the media. Hopeful that they crash and burn. Don't like having to make room for the new kid on block. It is pretty apparent that these and probably other reasons lead to this "disrespect" in this poll. I would say that although every match is a big one in the B1G the Wisconsin matches might have a double asterisk next to them this year on team's calendar. If I were you, I would take this poll results and what I just said as a compliment. Wisconsin will get everyone's "A" game. This is something that the top programs have to deal with year in and year out. It will be interesting to see how your team does with this added attention that they both earned and brought on to themselves.
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 26, 2014 8:37:49 GMT -5
So if many people want Wisconsin to go down, and the poll question is what teams will disappoint most, wouldn't that mean that if Wisconsin did poorly many people would NOT be disappointed? Just sayin'.
The problem with this poll is that it doesn't survey what the expectations of the selected team are? Are we supposed to expect the Badgers in the final? Lions as Champions? Nebraska as champions? Texas in the final? There is no bar set.
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 26, 2014 8:38:36 GMT -5
Oh, I get that. What I don't understand is this..."The Badgers should attempt to fly a little more under the radar than what I have observed in this off-season." WTW?!?!?! If they stay out of the news, or don't publicize recruits that will someone remove a target from their back or allow them to be incognito? That is, perhaps, the more short-sighted, unintelligent comment I've ever read. I've started drafting an explanation twice, but I think this comment is so off-point and irrelevant that it doesn't justify a response. Suffice it to say, publicity and relevance is critical to landing top recruits. Deal with the jealousy, the target, etc...when you're on the court, but do your best to be relevant and in the forefront of recruits minds prior to that. Silly, silly comment. This poll result is not surprising at all. Wisconsin had a terrific run last year but there are obviously people who are; suspect of how good they really are. Annoyed at how they conduct business in the media. Hopeful that they crash and burn. Don't like having to make room for the new kid on block. It is pretty apparent that these and probably other reasons lead to this "disrespect" in this poll. I would say that although every match is a big one in the B1G the Wisconsin matches might have a double asterisk next to them this year on team's calendar. If I were you, I would take this poll results and what I just said as a compliment. Wisconsin will get everyone's "A" game. This is something that the top programs have to deal with year in and year out. It will be interesting to see how your team does with this added attention that they both earned and brought on to themselves. I'm not offended by the poll results. We had a less successful regular season (for all the injuries and rotating positions, we actually exceeded my expectations) and haven't been in prominence lately. I understand those concepts and perceptions. What I didn't understand and replied "huh" to was the statement that WI has been too public lately. There is no making sense of this comment and I stopped trying long ago. Thanks.
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Post by volleylearner on Aug 26, 2014 9:52:50 GMT -5
If this was an NCAA football or men's basketball message board I can't imagine anyone suggesting this thread or the language in the poll was mean. Your language suggests you'd prefer we be mean to those boorish fans and the horrifying expectations they are imposing on these delicate flowers playing lady sports. Telling people that their expectations are too high or too low is not being mean. Telling someone they are probably going to be a flop is. A statement can be mean regardless of whether the target is "delicate" or "tough." I'm not suggesting sugar-coating opinions about a player's or team's strengths and weaknesses. I dislike the term flop here--as in miserable failure--and I don't like trying to define the magnitude of failure either. As I mentioned, if what you wanted was "insightful analysis" then there were other ways to express it that I think would have been better. How about which of the top teams won't make it to a regional final? Or which ranked teams won't make the tournament at all?
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