bluepenquin
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 26, 2014 10:53:19 GMT -5
Very simple SportBucky, did Wisconsin have expectations last year? Do they have them this year? It is a different can of worms... And this is what makes Wisconsin so interesting this year. It is nearly impossible to quantify the impact increased expectations/pressure has on performance. Or how much is offset by increased experience? There are those of us that believes this to be generally much smaller than others or nonexistent.
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 26, 2014 11:21:29 GMT -5
Very simple SportBucky, did Wisconsin have expectations last year? Do they have them this year? It is a different can of worms... What you said was, "they need to fly under the radar." I now understand you to mean that they have higher expectations this year, hence more pressure. I get that. I wasn't understanding your first statement which suggested in the off-season they were somehow seeking attention, either undue or excessive. Your comment alone made no sense.
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Post by jayj79 on Aug 26, 2014 11:31:39 GMT -5
I vote for BYU. Only b/c they are the team from the preseason top 10 that didn't get on the ballot.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 26, 2014 11:49:47 GMT -5
I just hope Penn State realizes how fortunate they were last year and doesn't get their hopes too high since they have 8 freshmen. Hopefully they will improve during the fall and have some players step up again this year. This year will be a battlefield of the minds and bodies to see who has the best endurance on the court. The important thing is to remain positive and use losses as stepping stones to refine your game. 1. The expectation never changes, they don't "hope" they win, they expect to, and will be disappointed if they don't. 2. They always improve during the fall 3. Endurance won't determine titles 4. They've always responded well to set backs/losses.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 26, 2014 11:51:55 GMT -5
I suspect rock City Bomber is suggesting few people had great expectations for Wisconsin last year and they outperformed expectations. They were a tourney dark horse. This year many are looking for them to repeat or exceed last year's finish, so they may have a target on their back. Whether any of that makes sense or matters...who knows? Oh, I get that. What I don't understand is this..."The Badgers should attempt to fly a little more under the radar than what I have observed in this off-season." WTW?!?!?! If they stay out of the news, or don't publicize recruits that will someone remove a target from their back or allow them to be incognito? That is, perhaps, the more short-sighted, unintelligent comment I've ever read. I've started drafting an explanation twice, but I think this comment is so off-point and irrelevant that it doesn't justify a response. Suffice it to say, publicity and relevance is critical to landing top recruits. Deal with the jealousy, the target, etc...when you're on the court, but do your best to be relevant and in the forefront of recruits minds prior to that. Silly, silly comment. If it doesn't justify a response why are you responding so passionately?
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Post by azvb on Aug 26, 2014 11:56:55 GMT -5
I vote for BYU. Only b/c they are the team from the preseason top 10 that didn't get on the ballot. Wait-I just realized I liked your comment, but you are predicting BYU to flop. So, I dislike your comment, I guess.
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 26, 2014 12:20:18 GMT -5
Oh, I get that. What I don't understand is this..."The Badgers should attempt to fly a little more under the radar than what I have observed in this off-season." WTW?!?!?! If they stay out of the news, or don't publicize recruits that will someone remove a target from their back or allow them to be incognito? That is, perhaps, the more short-sighted, unintelligent comment I've ever read. I've started drafting an explanation twice, but I think this comment is so off-point and irrelevant that it doesn't justify a response. Suffice it to say, publicity and relevance is critical to landing top recruits. Deal with the jealousy, the target, etc...when you're on the court, but do your best to be relevant and in the forefront of recruits minds prior to that. Silly, silly comment. If it doesn't justify a response why are you responding so passionately? Because I did. You're still tiresome.
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Post by tomclen on Aug 26, 2014 12:33:07 GMT -5
If this was an NCAA football or men's basketball message board I can't imagine anyone suggesting this thread or the language in the poll was mean. Your language suggests you'd prefer we be mean to those boorish fans and the horrifying expectations they are imposing on these delicate flowers playing lady sports. Telling people that their expectations are too high or too low is not being mean. Telling someone they are probably going to be a flop is. A statement can be mean regardless of whether the target is "delicate" or "tough." I'm not suggesting sugar-coating opinions about a player's or team's strengths and weaknesses. I dislike the term flop here--as in miserable failure--and I don't like trying to define the magnitude of failure either. As I mentioned, if what you wanted was "insightful analysis" then there were other ways to express it that I think would have been better. How about which of the top teams won't make it to a regional final? Or which ranked teams won't make the tournament at all? Maybe instead of playing matches, we could just have a big Volleyball festival once a year, each player would have 30 seconds to talk about the beauty of the universe, then everyone would get a trophy and sing Kumbaya.
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Post by silversurfer on Aug 26, 2014 12:49:14 GMT -5
LeBron.
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Post by jayj79 on Aug 26, 2014 13:18:46 GMT -5
I vote for BYU. Only b/c they are the team from the preseason top 10 that didn't get on the ballot. Wait-I just realized I liked your comment, but you are predicting BYU to flop. So, I dislike your comment, I guess. my "prediction" is based on the extensive research of looking up the poll and seeing which top10 team wasn't in the poll (after noticing only 9 choices). I have no clue what any of the top10 teams have as far as returning players or recruits. Though I will be hoping for all top ten teams to flop, as I almost always do, except on the rare occasion that the team I root for cracks the top 10 (which probably wouldn't happen this year unless they completely ran the table, which is highly unlikely)
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 26, 2014 15:27:32 GMT -5
If it doesn't justify a response why are you responding so passionately? Because I did. You're still tiresome. Well that makes sense. My bad
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 26, 2014 15:41:11 GMT -5
Because I did. You're still tiresome. Well that makes sense. My bad Finally...Dorothy issues an apology.
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Post by MTC on Aug 26, 2014 15:49:17 GMT -5
I just hope Penn State realizes how fortunate they were last year and doesn't get their hopes too high since they have 8 freshmen. Hopefully they will improve during the fall and have some players step up again this year. This year will be a battlefield of the minds and bodies to see who has the best endurance on the court. The important thing is to remain positive and use losses as stepping stones to refine your game. 1. The expectation never changes, they don't "hope" they win, they expect to, and will be disappointed if they don't. 2. They always improve during the fall 3. Endurance won't determine titles 4. They've always responded well to set backs/losses. I'm glad we are in non-agreement. I think it is shortsighted to say Penn State "always" does anything. As RR and Dom said what the team did last year has no bearing on what they will do this year.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 26, 2014 16:40:06 GMT -5
1. The expectation never changes, they don't "hope" they win, they expect to, and will be disappointed if they don't. 2. They always improve during the fall 3. Endurance won't determine titles 4. They've always responded well to set backs/losses. I'm glad we are in non-agreement. I think it is shortsighted to say Penn State "always" does anything. As RR and Dom said what the team did last year has no bearing on what they will do this year. I last year doesn't have any bearing on this year, the expectation at PSU is ALWAYS the same.
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Post by tomclen on Aug 26, 2014 18:06:30 GMT -5
Can't believe Washington is playing PSU first weekend of the season...on the road..and the Huskies are favored to win.
Of course, we are talking about Portland State University. But, still.
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