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Post by LovePennState on Aug 27, 2014 20:05:17 GMT -5
Wisconsin will do better than last year's 12-8 on the fact they play Rutgers and Maryland twice this year. Those 4 matches replace contests vs. traditional B1G teams. IMO, 12-8 last year equals 14-6 this year.
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Post by jasonr on Aug 27, 2014 20:38:13 GMT -5
Really? That would be very disrespective of the teams by fans, because it's basically saying that if they don't win the NC, they suck. Sure, as a WI fan I would love to see them in the final four. But without that achievement it certainly doesn't mean their season was bad. Leave that thinking to the PSU fans. Agreed. I want us to do well this year. I want us to win the B1G. I want us to be National Champions. But that's not the yardstick I'll be using for this season. As far as the tournament's concerned, much of how far you go depends on your draw. Wisconsin could be better than they were last year - I think they will be - and not go as far in the tournament. If there was ever a year that Wisconsin fans should be saying, "Conference title or bust." it's this year. PSU and Nebraska will be relatively down (for them anyway), both those programs will be much stronger in 2015 and beyond. 2014 is the year that other Big Ten programs need to make their claim.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 27, 2014 20:42:32 GMT -5
Wisconsin will do better than last year's 12-8 on the fact they play Rutgers and Maryland twice this year. Those 4 matches replace contests vs. traditional B1G teams. IMO, 12-8 last year equals 14-6 this year. Rutgers twice, Maryland once.
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 28, 2014 8:17:44 GMT -5
Really? That would be very disrespective of the teams by fans, because it's basically saying that if they don't win the NC, they suck. Sure, as a WI fan I would love to see them in the final four. But without that achievement it certainly doesn't mean their season was bad. Leave that thinking to the PSU fans. Agreed. I want us to do well this year. I want us to win the B1G. I want us to be National Champions. But that's not the yardstick I'll be using for this season. As far as the tournament's concerned, much of how far you go depends on your draw. Wisconsin could be better than they were last year - I think they will be - and not go as far in the tournament. I want to see the Badgers do better than last year in the conference. Last year we were 12-8 in B1G play. That's two wins above .500, as Dorothy loves to remind everyone. I think we can do way better than that this year. Isn't that 4 games above .500? 11-9 would be 2. So, if the Badgers win the Conference, and then lose in the Final Four, what will be the chatter then? So, to review, right now it's the Badgers aren't legitimate despite appearing in the final because they went 12-8 in conference. Next year will it be the Badgers aren't legitimate because they won/finished high in the conference but didn't win the NC? I don't "expect" the Badgers to win the conference, but I want them to win the conference. There is already a placeholder/bar for a conference championship banner in the Fieldhouse, if anyone was noticing.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 28, 2014 8:27:28 GMT -5
Agreed. I want us to do well this year. I want us to win the B1G. I want us to be National Champions. But that's not the yardstick I'll be using for this season. As far as the tournament's concerned, much of how far you go depends on your draw. Wisconsin could be better than they were last year - I think they will be - and not go as far in the tournament. I want to see the Badgers do better than last year in the conference. Last year we were 12-8 in B1G play. That's two wins above .500, as Dorothy loves to remind everyone. I think we can do way better than that this year. Isn't that 4 games above .500? 11-9 would be 2. So, if the Badgers win the Conference, and then lose in the Final Four, what will be the chatter then? So, to review, right now it's the Badgers aren't legitimate despite appearing in the final because they went 12-8 in conference. Next year will it be the Badgers aren't legitimate because they won/finished high in the conference but didn't win the NC? I don't "expect" the Badgers to win the conference, but I want them to win the conference. There is already a placeholder/bar for a conference championship banner in the Fieldhouse, if anyone was noticing. No, 12-8 is 2 above .500 because if they'd lost 2 of the games they won, they'd've been 10-10. Every game you subtract from one column, you have to add to the other. I'm interpreting the conventional wisdom around here to be that the Badgers aren't legit even though they were national finalists because they went 12-8 in conference AND had an easy road to the Final Four. Never mind that they beat the defending national champs. That doesn't count at all. This year, if we don't win the conference, it doesn't matter how we do in the tournament, people won't consider us legit because we didn't win the conference. But if we DO win the conference, it won't REALLY count because PSU and Nebraska are having down years, and we're only playing each of them once, and it's at home. And we get Rutgers and Iowa twice. We'd have to win both the conference AND the NC AND beat at least 3 of Stanford/Washington/USC/PSU/Nebraska/Texas on our way to the NC in order for anyone to take us seriously. Or something.
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 28, 2014 8:35:50 GMT -5
That must be volleyball math. Never, ever in baseball have I heard some team mathematically 4 games over .500 as called 2 games over .500. Yes, I understand what you are saying. Wins - losses = # of games over .500
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Post by onfiya on Aug 28, 2014 9:35:58 GMT -5
12-8 is definitely 4 games over .500
If they were to play 4 more games and lose them all, then they would be .500
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Post by Boof1224 on Aug 28, 2014 10:02:27 GMT -5
Schedule makers did give badgers a gift only getting penn state and Nebraska once and both at home. Thy better get it this year cause in my opinion it's only chance they're gonna get. Or best chance anyway.
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 28, 2014 10:40:32 GMT -5
Agreed. I want us to do well this year. I want us to win the B1G. I want us to be National Champions. But that's not the yardstick I'll be using for this season. As far as the tournament's concerned, much of how far you go depends on your draw. Wisconsin could be better than they were last year - I think they will be - and not go as far in the tournament. If there was ever a year that Wisconsin fans should be saying, "Conference title or bust." it's this year. PSU and Nebraska will be relatively down (for them anyway), both those programs will be much stronger in 2015 and beyond. 2014 is the year that other Big Ten programs need to make their claim. Agreed, and we graduate a decent amount of talent in Thompson, Thomas, Morales and Chapman. We'll have to adjust next year, although talent is there.
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 28, 2014 10:41:29 GMT -5
That must be volleyball math. Never, ever in baseball have I heard some team mathematically 4 games over .500 as called 2 games over .500. Yes, I understand what you are saying. Wins - losses = # of games over .500 VB math, and incorrect.
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Post by jasonr on Aug 28, 2014 14:31:26 GMT -5
Isn't that 4 games above .500? 11-9 would be 2. So, if the Badgers win the Conference, and then lose in the Final Four, what will be the chatter then? So, to review, right now it's the Badgers aren't legitimate despite appearing in the final because they went 12-8 in conference. Next year will it be the Badgers aren't legitimate because they won/finished high in the conference but didn't win the NC? I don't "expect" the Badgers to win the conference, but I want them to win the conference. There is already a placeholder/bar for a conference championship banner in the Fieldhouse, if anyone was noticing. No, 12-8 is 2 above .500 because if they'd lost 2 of the games they won, they'd've been 10-10. Every game you subtract from one column, you have to add to the other. I'm interpreting the conventional wisdom around here to be that the Badgers aren't legit even though they were national finalists because they went 12-8 in conference AND had an easy road to the Final Four. Never mind that they beat the defending national champs. That doesn't count at all. This year, if we don't win the conference, it doesn't matter how we do in the tournament, people won't consider us legit because we didn't win the conference. But if we DO win the conference, it won't REALLY count because PSU and Nebraska are having down years, and we're only playing each of them once, and it's at home. And we get Rutgers and Iowa twice. We'd have to win both the conference AND the NC AND beat at least 3 of Stanford/Washington/USC/PSU/Nebraska/Texas on our way to the NC in order for anyone to take us seriously. Or something. It's how you earn your spot. You have to be great for quite a few years in a row before you get respect as a top program. All the current blue-bloods had to go through it too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 15:52:27 GMT -5
When was the last time Nebraska was great?
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 28, 2014 16:58:08 GMT -5
No, 12-8 is 2 above .500 because if they'd lost 2 of the games they won, they'd've been 10-10. Every game you subtract from one column, you have to add to the other. I'm interpreting the conventional wisdom around here to be that the Badgers aren't legit even though they were national finalists because they went 12-8 in conference AND had an easy road to the Final Four. Never mind that they beat the defending national champs. That doesn't count at all. This year, if we don't win the conference, it doesn't matter how we do in the tournament, people won't consider us legit because we didn't win the conference. But if we DO win the conference, it won't REALLY count because PSU and Nebraska are having down years, and we're only playing each of them once, and it's at home. And we get Rutgers and Iowa twice. We'd have to win both the conference AND the NC AND beat at least 3 of Stanford/Washington/USC/PSU/Nebraska/Texas on our way to the NC in order for anyone to take us seriously. Or something. It's how you earn your spot. You have to be great for quite a few years in a row before you get respect as a top program. All the current blue-bloods had to go through it too. Do you not know volleyball history? The Badgers were perennial Big powerhouses. They won the big and finished as high as NCAA runners up in 2000. The last six years before last were an aberration. Le sigh. I fear this is a waste of time....wait...I'm chatting about VB so it is by definition not a waste of time.
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Post by jasonr on Aug 29, 2014 7:28:13 GMT -5
It's how you earn your spot. You have to be great for quite a few years in a row before you get respect as a top program. All the current blue-bloods had to go through it too. Do you not know volleyball history? The Badgers were perennial Big powerhouses. They won the big and finished as high as NCAA runners up in 2000. The last six years before last were an aberration. Le sigh. I fear this is a waste of time....wait...I'm chatting about VB so it is by definition not a waste of time. I do know volleyball history. Wisconsin's doesn't constitute blue blood status. Do you think UCLA gets much respect these days? Their history, both recent and past, is better than Wisconsin's. It has to be maintained.
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Post by jasonr on Aug 29, 2014 7:30:44 GMT -5
When was the last time Nebraska was great? Are you really comparing the two programs? Nebraska's reputation wasn't built on "almost."
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