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Post by myvolleywoodworld on Aug 27, 2014 10:52:55 GMT -5
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 27, 2014 11:06:44 GMT -5
Japan is sacrificing some blocking at the margins for a more efficient in-system offense. If you're siding out really well, blocking weakness becomes a side note. Japan certainly has the passing and setting to do that, but the pin attackers need to hold up (which isn't a guarantee) for the system to work. I certainly wouldn't recommend it for any other teams.
Japan has a really soft draw for World Champs IIRC; they could finish well with this system.
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Post by memorybankrupt on Aug 27, 2014 11:34:39 GMT -5
It was a very interesting system and really fun to watch during the WGP. I think it works for the Japanese because they are so great at digging. They probably would not be the best at out-of-system hitting especially from the D (attacking from area 1), so they're probably a bit better off to always have a frontrow RS attacking option.
Your setter better be in awesome shape to block in the middle and be able to cover from pin to pin. I'm pretty impressed by their young setter, because she's fairly tall (decent blocker) compared to the other Japanese setters.
I do like that w/ this "hybrid" system, Japanese always has options at both pins. As that article states, the likelihood of an attack coming out of the middle really goes down during the rally.
Not sure if the US should do any more experimenting (because yikes this was a bad WGP for us), but it would be interesting to see Glass blocking in the middle in transition and have options at both pins. At its current state, the US only has the leftside as a real option in transition since they've really gone away from the D. And opposing blockers have camped out. It's a really idiotic design.
Anyhow, not saying the hybrid would work for the US. I can't imagine our players coming up w/ the dig w/ only one blocker up at times. I also can't imagine Glass and Murphy blocking next to each other. Not sure if any of our current middles would be comfortable w/ a traditional rightside attack. Maybe that's where you insert someone versatile like Kim Hill to play duel role of MB and RS attacker. Or Nwanebu in the future.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Aug 27, 2014 12:37:06 GMT -5
...really thought this was going to be spam before I clicked the link.
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Post by ja on Aug 27, 2014 13:54:24 GMT -5
I like the idea of neutralizing most used attacker with bigger block. This is kind of a through back to original 9 man game. The emphasis on floor defense was always a trademark for Japan, so they prepared to this hybrid system well before they try to use it. Just one extra dig per set will offset the potential lost of blocking efficiency. Two digs will totally justify it! Very interesting idea to toy with during practices!
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Post by deacondive on Aug 27, 2014 14:59:36 GMT -5
Reasons this works for Japan: they have bad middles, which really weren't apart of the offense anyways
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 27, 2014 17:40:59 GMT -5
Reasons this works for Japan: they have bad middles, which really weren't apart of the offense anyways I think you are confused. That would not be a reason for why this would work for Japan. That would be a reason why a more standard offense would not work for Japan.
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Post by albatross on Aug 27, 2014 18:17:04 GMT -5
Thanks for this link. I was hoping to learn more. It seemed like a cool system right up until Japan's 5'2" backup setter was blocking against Brazil's 6'5" Thaísa
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Post by deacondive on Aug 27, 2014 22:23:52 GMT -5
Reasons this works for Japan: they have bad middles, which really weren't apart of the offense anyways I think you are confused. That would not be a reason for why this would work for Japan. That would be a reason why a more standard offense would not work for Japan. Japan's strength lies with its defense and its outsides. This system emphasizes those strengths. If Japan had strong middles, they would be in a traditional system. This system is about having attackers on the left side and right side in transition.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 28, 2014 1:32:44 GMT -5
I think you are confused. That would not be a reason for why this would work for Japan. That would be a reason why a more standard offense would not work for Japan. Japan's strength lies with its defense and its outsides. This system emphasizes those strengths. If Japan had strong middles, they would be in a traditional system. This system is about having attackers on the left side and right side in transition. Here's what you said: Japan has weak middles. Therefore, this system works for them. If you had written your second post saying that it works for them because they have strong outsides, I wouldn't have objected. But "Team A has weak middles" is not the same thing as "Team A has strong outsides." Obviously, a team with weak middles could also have weak outsides too.
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Post by ncaavballguru on Aug 28, 2014 2:01:24 GMT -5
If Japan wants this system to work, they really need to up their serving game.
If other teams want to pummel Japan in this system, run high balls in the middle. No one says you have to run first-tempo sets in the middle. Hell, run high balls in the middle even out-of-system.
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Post by deacondive on Aug 28, 2014 7:34:43 GMT -5
Japan's strength lies with its defense and its outsides. This system emphasizes those strengths. If Japan had strong middles, they would be in a traditional system. This system is about having attackers on the left side and right side in transition. Here's what you said: Japan has weak middles. Therefore, this system works for them. If you had written your second post saying that it works for them because they have strong outsides, I wouldn't have objected. But "Team A has weak middles" is not the same thing as "Team A has strong outsides." Obviously, a team with weak middles could also have weak outsides too. Sorry I thought you followed international volleyball and already knew that Japan had strong outsides and defense...
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Post by volleyball20102011 on Aug 28, 2014 7:54:50 GMT -5
I like the idea of neutralizing most used attacker with bigger block. This is kind of a through back to original 9 man game. The emphasis on floor defense was always a trademark for Japan, so they prepared to this hybrid system well before they try to use it. Just one extra dig per set will offset the potential lost of blocking efficiency. Two digs will totally justify it! Very interesting idea to toy with during practices! Except digs don't translate Into points. At the international level the game is determined by attacking, serving and blocking. Obviously you need to pass as well
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Post by ja on Aug 28, 2014 8:44:56 GMT -5
I like the idea of neutralizing most used attacker with bigger block. This is kind of a through back to original 9 man game. The emphasis on floor defense was always a trademark for Japan, so they prepared to this hybrid system well before they try to use it. Just one extra dig per set will offset the potential lost of blocking efficiency. Two digs will totally justify it! Very interesting idea to toy with during practices! Except digs don't translate Into points. At the international level the game is determined by attacking, serving and blocking. Obviously you need to pass as well Dig translates into attacking opportunity and Japan team knows how to convert it! Besides, Japan always had problems with size and block! The tallest player on the team is almost 6'2" and none of Japanize players can touch above 9'8" on he block! So, Japanize block NEVER was a factor in slowing down High Flying offense of Brazil, Russia, USA, Germany, etc. Digs does meter in Japan women's volleyball! There are 5 Japanize players in top 25 diggers in Grand Prix this year with 3 of them in top 10, and Libero ranked #1! The best Japanize blocker sits at 15. Do the math and see what skill is more important for Japan women's volleyball to win games!
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 28, 2014 9:59:33 GMT -5
Here's what you said: Japan has weak middles. Therefore, this system works for them. If you had written your second post saying that it works for them because they have strong outsides, I wouldn't have objected. But "Team A has weak middles" is not the same thing as "Team A has strong outsides." Obviously, a team with weak middles could also have weak outsides too. Sorry I thought you followed international volleyball and already knew that Japan had strong outsides and defense... No, I don't follow it that closely, so it was confusing to me. Oh well, all resolved now.
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