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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 2, 2014 7:28:18 GMT -5
Burgess is impressive...a very impressive six rotation player. The is no arguing with that. You must not be a disciple of Coach Haley... he thinks a good outside hitter has to be able to get 30 kills against a double team, like both of his starting outsides, and outsides who can't aren't carrying their full weight in the front row. From this perspective, both USC and Washington are ahead of Stanford as national championship contenders. His role in rigging his region's All-Region team in 2012 (as the head of a three-coach panel, choosing all of USC's All-Pac-12 players and a non-All-Pac-12 USC senior, leaving out several All-Pac-12 players from other programs) may have sparked the nationwide change to region-wide voting in 2013, but neither Burgess nor Howard made All-Region in 2012 or 2013, Bricio did in both 2012 and 2013 and Nwanebu did as a freshman in 2013. To be fair, Bugg was left off the All-Pac-12 team in 2013 (it had no setters) but was named to the All-Region team and made second-team All-American. I think she'll pass her role model, Bryn Kehoe, and be named a first-team All-American as a junior (yes, Mom Kehoe, I think Bryn deserved to be... she just didn't get it with so many senior All-American candidate setters). Are you serious?
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 2, 2014 7:29:35 GMT -5
By one point, this was the lowest aggregate point total for UNL in any match since the beginning of rally scoring (what matters is the aggregate since the drop to 25-point sets, which led to lower losing set totals than 30-point sets). Yes, It looks like the Huskers are going to hit some all-time lows before they right the ship. It's really hard to judge Stanford's performance as bad as the Huskers played. After this last weekend I would like to see this starting line-up developed - with the subs right in if the starter is struggling: OH's: K. Rolfzen, Fien - Albrecht RS : A. Rolfzen - Ostrander M's: Hall, Larson - Haggerty, Keil and you don't think its hard to judge Nebraska by how good Stanford was?
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Post by jgrout on Sept 2, 2014 7:37:34 GMT -5
You must not be a disciple of Coach Haley... he thinks a good outside hitter has to be able to get 30 kills against a double team, like both of his starting outsides, and outsides who can't aren't carrying their full weight in the front row. From this perspective, both USC and Washington are ahead of Stanford as national championship contenders. His role in rigging his region's All-Region team in 2012 (as the head of a three-coach panel, choosing all of USC's All-Pac-12 players and a non-All-Pac-12 USC senior, leaving out several All-Pac-12 players from other programs) may have sparked the nationwide change to region-wide voting in 2013, but neither Burgess nor Howard made All-Region in 2012 or 2013, Bricio did in both 2012 and 2013 and Nwanebu did as a freshman in 2013. To be fair, Bugg was left off the All-Pac-12 team in 2013 (it had no setters) but was named to the All-Region team and made second-team All-American. I think she'll pass her role model, Bryn Kehoe, and be named a first-team All-American as a junior (yes, Mom Kehoe, I think Bryn deserved to be... she just didn't get it with so many senior All-American candidate setters). Are you serious? I don't know how much Burgess and Howard will get done against a really deep team with great outsides... especially half the time when Inky is sitting out. All the Stanford championship teams I remember had at least one stud outside hitter who could put up those kinds of numbers... and I believe their awful collapse against Michigan in 2012 was in large part due to not having that kind of outside. Last year's squad would have been the first without a Folkl, Tom, Nnamani, Barboza, Klineman, etc level outside. I would like to believe in a team built around six-rotation players... it looks like the same three hitters, setter and libero will be playing in every rotation possible... but this is an age of specialization and every team has a boatload of subs.
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Post by holidayhusker on Sept 2, 2014 9:25:23 GMT -5
By one point, this was the lowest aggregate point total for UNL in any match since the beginning of rally scoring (what matters is the aggregate since the drop to 25-point sets, which led to lower losing set totals than 30-point sets). Yes, It looks like the Huskers are going to hit some all-time lows before they right the ship. It's really hard to judge Stanford's performance as bad as the Huskers played. After this last weekend I would like to see this starting line-up developed - with the subs right in if the starter is struggling: OH's: K. Rolfzen, Fien - Albrecht RS : A. Rolfzen - Ostrander M's: Hall, Larson - Haggerty, Keil I am not a fan of people jumping on Polmiller but........ I think the passing was extremely poor, making setting to the middles rough. Its hard to judge how good any of our middles are unless its defensively. Until we can get passes and a setter that can connect with the middles then we are going to be very beatable.
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Post by eov4nu on Sept 2, 2014 10:17:21 GMT -5
Yes, It looks like the Huskers are going to hit some all-time lows before they right the ship. It's really hard to judge Stanford's performance as bad as the Huskers played. After this last weekend I would like to see this starting line-up developed - with the subs right in if the starter is struggling: OH's: K. Rolfzen, Fien - Albrecht RS : A. Rolfzen - Ostrander M's: Hall, Larson - Haggerty, Keil I am not a fan of people jumping on Polmiller but........ I think the passing was extremely poor, making setting to the middles rough. Its hard to judge how good any of our middles are unless its defensively. Until we can get passes and a setter that can connect with the middles then we are going to be very beatable. Serve receive SHOULD settle down once a regular sub pattern takes place for the outsides that aren't passers(Fien/Ostrander). It was apparent that chaos often ensued between the new kids and the "vets" when the heat was on. Amber is a better passer than she has shown, at least I think she should be. Mary often undersets CeCe, that's the one I notice the most. Cook commented in his press conference yesterday that they feel Mary is trying to do it all, she just needs to be the best setter she can be.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on Sept 2, 2014 10:30:45 GMT -5
I think the are a few players trying too hard. Mary on Friday had 16 kill attempts. CeCe had 16 and Haggerty had 19. I don't about the rest of you but 16 attempts for Mary is way too much.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 2, 2014 10:41:18 GMT -5
I think the are a few players trying too hard. Mary on Friday had 16 kill attempts. CeCe had 16 and Haggerty had 19. I don't about the rest of you but 16 attempts for Mary is way too much. that can also be a misleading statistic, often times those "attempts" are the setter having to take the second ball over due to passing. If you watch Cook's presser, he talks about her pressing and trying to do too much.
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Post by milkmandan on Sept 2, 2014 11:11:27 GMT -5
Mary connects well with Cece about 1 in 10 tries.
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Post by bigdawg4747 on Sept 2, 2014 11:38:53 GMT -5
That might be overstating it a bit, but they may have a future National Team member From where I sit, Stanford looks better in every position with maybe the exception being libero. You need to find another seat. Unless Nebraska has a libero--as Stanford does--who is about to finish No. 2 all-time in the team's record book. With two All-American middles (Wopat and Ajanaku) keeping limiting dig opportunities. Gilbert's DPS last year was 4.95, and is over 4 for her career. She's the class of the Pac-12 this year, and one of the top liberos in the country.
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Post by bigdawg4747 on Sept 2, 2014 11:44:15 GMT -5
From where I sit, Stanford looks better in every position with maybe the exception being libero. Stanford is better at Libero also. Agreed. A lot better at libero. Gilbert will finish this season as No. 2 in total digs and DPS in Stanford history. She was ridiculous in the third ISU game, when they were trying to make a match out of it. Gilbert took over with 11 digs--many of them the kind that very few players come up with. Absolutely put on a show.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 2, 2014 11:46:11 GMT -5
From where I sit, Stanford looks better in every position with maybe the exception being libero. You need to find another seat. Unless Nebraska has a libero--as Stanford does--who is about to finish No. 2 all-time in the team's record book. With two All-American middles (Wopat and Ajanaku) keeping limiting dig opportunities. Gilbert's DPS last year was 4.95, and is over 4 for her career. She's the class of the Pac-12 this year, and one of the top liberos in the country. People actually reading posts would eliminate a significant amount of back and forth. The word "maybe" implies that well, maybe Justine would start for Stanford. Justine would also be included in the group of top liberos in the country. Regardless, if Gilbert is better it only further illustrates my point which it appears you didn't read either. The disparity in talent between the two teams was pretty evident.
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Post by bigdawg4747 on Sept 2, 2014 11:46:20 GMT -5
Stanford is better at Libero also. I'd take J-Wo over Gilbert. Boukather's having a good day, but Nebraska's a lot better at RS. Also M2. And Nebraska should be better at L1 if you believe the hype coming out of the Husker camp surrounding Kadie. Yeah, Stanford has more talent on the floor, but the gap is primarily at M1 and setter. It's not like Cook filled out his roster at a North Platte orphanage. There's not a coach in the country that would make that trade.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 11:55:04 GMT -5
You need to find another seat. Unless Nebraska has a libero--as Stanford does--who is about to finish No. 2 all-time in the team's record book. With two All-American middles (Wopat and Ajanaku) keeping limiting dig opportunities. Gilbert's DPS last year was 4.95, and is over 4 for her career. She's the class of the Pac-12 this year, and one of the top liberos in the country. People actually reading posts would eliminate a significant amount of back and forth. The word "maybe" implies that well, maybe Justine would start for Stanford. Justine would also be included in the group of top liberos in the country. Regardless, if Gilbert is better it only further illustrates my point which it appears you didn't read either. The disparity in talent between the two teams was pretty evident. You're exhausting. The gap in talent was nowhere near as large as you're suggesting. Nebraska absolutely has the kids to compete with Stanford. The disparity wasn't in level of talent; it was in level of play.
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Post by bigdawg4747 on Sept 2, 2014 11:55:33 GMT -5
I would take J-WO as well, not sure I agree about RS and M2, in fact I don't. I wasnt implying Nebraska doesn't have talent, but that Stanford has more, and they do. J-Wo is a nice player, but she finished 9th in the Big Ten in digs last year with a 3.5 DPS. Gilbert finished second in the Pac-12 with 4.95 DPS, behind only first-team AA Haglund of USC. You sure you can't use an upgrade?
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 2, 2014 12:21:51 GMT -5
People actually reading posts would eliminate a significant amount of back and forth. The word "maybe" implies that well, maybe Justine would start for Stanford. Justine would also be included in the group of top liberos in the country. Regardless, if Gilbert is better it only further illustrates my point which it appears you didn't read either. The disparity in talent between the two teams was pretty evident. You're exhausting. The gap in talent was nowhere near as large as you're suggesting. Nebraska absolutely has the kids to compete with Stanford. The disparity wasn't in level of talent; it was in level of play. There is nothing more exhausting than people arguing, without making any argument. I am giving some explanation, data, reasoning for my opinion, opposed to you just saying its wrong or ridiculous. You never did answer my very straightforward question regarding determining difference in talent. How do you reconcile Stanford has a first team AA, a second team AA, and two honorable mention AA's, with Nebraska only having a third team AA and an honorable mention that you just described as "ridiculously horrendous"? What does that suggest? To some it would suggest that the people who are experts, evaluate top players, think the difference in talent is somewhat significant. It "tells" me that people like Kelly Sheffield, Craig Skinner, Chris Lamb, Jeff Nelson believe that Stanford has much better talent. Also it is your assertion it was "level in play" not level of talent. I will ask you another direct question, what do feel is the #1 determiner in level of play? It is my opinion that level of talent is. Again, this is my opinion, but I am offering basis for that thinking, you're shouting at the rain. I would be interested in you answering those questions or giving some sort of explanation as to yours, instead of just insisting its wrong.
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