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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 1, 2014 18:14:18 GMT -5
But we're bringing in Baby Brenner (Vander Weide), plus McLaren, Gill, Raskie, and then Youth Nat'l Team outside Van Sickle in '16 on top of the young talent already in the gym . Liz does a lot and isn't easily replaced.. We will no doubt miss her, but the overall talent level and depth is going way up. For 2015-2018, Oregon will be the best PAC team not already in a rotating tournament. Brenner is overrated, especially as a hitter. Replacing her isn't going to be as hard as people think. I saw Oregon's game against Illinois State and I was really disappointed with some of the coaching decisions Moore has made. First of all, Taylor Agost would REALLY benefit from a redshirt year. She's a gifted athlete but still very raw. Scratch the 6-2, put Martenne back at OH2, let Scott get more comfortable running the offense, and have Agost sit for a year and work on her technique. What we'll miss is Brenner's ability to pass 55% of the court, and her competitive intensity. I don't know who else I'd want to take a swing at 13-13 in the fifth. I think you're a bit ignorant of the situation. The line-up you saw is not our intended line-up. TayTay would benefit from a redshirt year, IMO, but she is currently competing with Serena Warner for the M2 position and has a good chance at PT. Our L2 is Frankie Shebby (who has been tearing it up in camp), but she was sick and held out for the weekend by the medical staff. Moore did not expect Agost to have to play this weekend, but at the last minute thought it less disruptive to keep the 6-2 amnd not move Martenne over, because Agost can play OH well enough (and that will likely be her place once she learns to pass). That girl is going to be bouncing balls before she is done, but I agree she needs some more time in the oven to reach her full potential. Martenne's funky armswing also makes it really hard for her at L2. At Opp, she is able to benefit from (a) a really quick, deceptive setter who puts her in good situations and (b) her superior discipline and footwork (ability to take that inside-out approach and still crank that ball) letting her hit in transition at a tempo the defense is not prepared for. It's the Bergsma model for success, but she doesn't have quite that arm so we'll see if she is able to hit .400 (like she did this weekend) once teams have some video on her. Bettendorf also just has a really good sense for blocking on the right-side. Edit: MB hit .115 in conference as L2 last year. I don't think that's a recipe for success.
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Post by chisovnik on Sept 1, 2014 18:30:23 GMT -5
With brenner gone? Hmmmm not sure about that. But we're bringing in Baby Brenner (Vander Weide), plus McLaren, Gill, Raskie, and then Youth Nat'l Team outside Van Sickle in '16 on top of the young talent already in the gym . Liz does a lot and isn't easily replaced.. We will no doubt miss her, but the overall talent level and depth is going way up. For 2015-2018, Oregon will be the best PAC team not already in a rotating tournament. Brenner is overrated, especially as a hitter. Replacing her isn't going to be as hard as people think. I saw Oregon's game against Illinois State and I was really disappointed with some of the coaching decisions Moore has made. First of all, Taylor Agost would REALLY benefit from a redshirt year. She's a gifted athlete but still very raw. Scratch the 6-2, put Martenne back at OH2, let Scott get more comfortable running the offense, and have Agost sit for a year and work on her technique.
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Post by tomclen on Sept 1, 2014 18:44:25 GMT -5
The last thing Brenner is, is overrated. Very few teams would not add her to their roster, today, if they could.
Wish it was Washington, instead of Oregon in this tournament. However, schools probably didn't want the added expense of a ring announcer.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 1, 2014 19:12:31 GMT -5
The last thing Brenner is, is overrated. Very few teams would not add her to their roster, today, if they could. Wish it was Washington, instead of Oregon in this tournament. However, schools probably didn't want the added expense of a ring announcer. That's funny! I agree with you on Brenner, who could be underrated.
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Post by southie on Sept 1, 2014 19:15:11 GMT -5
Some of you sure don't know how to stay on topic. I'm glad Oregon is included (despite how I feel about what Jim Moore did to the Texas program).
Hard to predict how good/bad teams will be in 3-4 years; a lot could change.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 1, 2014 19:20:37 GMT -5
Some of you sure don't know how to stay on topic. I'm glad Oregon is included (despite how I feel about what Jim Moore did to the Texas program). Hard to predict how good/bad teams will be in 3-4 years; a lot could change. I am going to go way out on a limb here and predict Texas will have a ridiculous amount of talent.
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Post by southie on Sept 1, 2014 19:35:49 GMT -5
Some of you sure don't know how to stay on topic. I'm glad Oregon is included (despite how I feel about what Jim Moore did to the Texas program). Hard to predict how good/bad teams will be in 3-4 years; a lot could change. I am going to go way out on a limb here and predict Texas will have a ridiculous amount of talent. As will Florida.
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Post by bkedane on Sept 1, 2014 19:56:22 GMT -5
Hmmm would have been nice to have a PAC 12 title contender represented. Oregon is fine, but not final four good for the foreseeable future. Also, glad to see Nebraska signing up to play top teams outside of huskerville. I wonder if the Nike big 4 is continuing? Too bad the big 10 couldn't have snagged purdue to play alongside Wisconsin in the rotation matches with USC and UW. These would be the premier tourneys in the preseason for the next few years. It wasn't up to the big10 to "snag" Purdue to join Wisconsin for the series with USC and UW. The main issue in putting those teams together was finding a big10 team Mick and Jim would agree to play along with Wisconsin. For their own reasons, which I respect, they did not want two tough opponents.
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 1, 2014 20:00:46 GMT -5
Hmmm would have been nice to have a PAC 12 title contender represented. Oregon is fine, but not final four good for the foreseeable future. Also, glad to see Nebraska signing up to play top teams outside of huskerville. I wonder if the Nike big 4 is continuing? Too bad the big 10 couldn't have snagged purdue to play alongside Wisconsin in the rotation matches with USC and UW. These would be the premier tourneys in the preseason for the next few years. It wasn't up to the big10 to "snag" Purdue to join Wisconsin for the series with USC and UW. The main issue in putting those teams together was finding a big10 team Mick and Jim would agree to play along with Wisconsin. For their own reasons, which I respect, they did not want two tough opponents. Is this fact or guess work?
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Post by kokyu on Sept 1, 2014 20:26:20 GMT -5
I hope chisovnik was trolling.
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Post by bkedane on Sept 1, 2014 21:22:40 GMT -5
It wasn't up to the big10 to "snag" Purdue to join Wisconsin for the series with USC and UW. The main issue in putting those teams together was finding a big10 team Mick and Jim would agree to play along with Wisconsin. For their own reasons, which I respect, they did not want two tough opponents. Is this fact or guess work? It's what I was told by the involved coaches. It's a part of overall schedule management (including RPI considerations and other factors). It's going to be a nice series for the involved teams -- the different teams get various things they wanted from the arrangement.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Sept 1, 2014 22:22:47 GMT -5
Is this fact or guess work? It's what I was told by the involved coaches. It's a part of overall schedule management (including RPI considerations and other factors). It's going to be a nice series for the involved teams -- the different teams get various things they wanted from the arrangement. That's interesting info. Sheffield had mentioned having to do dome hunting and convincing to find us a partner for the Big Ten/PAC 12 series, but it didn't occur to me he had to convince the PAC 12 coaches. I think this tournament series is good for Maryland. It'll give them a picture of what their conference competition will feel like, and it'll help their RPI.
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Post by chisovnik on Sept 2, 2014 0:05:13 GMT -5
Brenner is overrated, especially as a hitter. Replacing her isn't going to be as hard as people think. I saw Oregon's game against Illinois State and I was really disappointed with some of the coaching decisions Moore has made. First of all, Taylor Agost would REALLY benefit from a redshirt year. She's a gifted athlete but still very raw. Scratch the 6-2, put Martenne back at OH2, let Scott get more comfortable running the offense, and have Agost sit for a year and work on her technique. What we'll miss is Brenner's ability to pass 55% of the court, and her competitive intensity. I don't know who else I'd want to take a swing at 13-13 in the fifth. I think you're a bit ignorant of the situation. The line-up you saw is not our intended line-up. TayTay would benefit from a redshirt year, IMO, but she is currently competing with Serena Warner for the M2 position and has a good chance at PT. Our L2 is Frankie Shebby (who has been tearing it up in camp), but she was sick and held out for the weekend by the medical staff. Moore did not expect Agost to have to play this weekend, but at the last minute thought it less disruptive to keep the 6-2 amnd not move Martenne over, because Agost can play OH well enough (and that will likely be her place once she learns to pass). That girl is going to be bouncing balls before she is done, but I agree she needs some more time in the oven to reach her full potential. Martenne's funky armswing also makes it really hard for her at L2. At Opp, she is able to benefit from (a) a really quick, deceptive setter who puts her in good situations and (b) her superior discipline and footwork (ability to take that inside-out approach and still crank that ball) letting her hit in transition at a tempo the defense is not prepared for. It's the Bergsma model for success, but she doesn't have quite that arm so we'll see if she is able to hit .400 (like she did this weekend) once teams have some video on her. Bettendorf also just has a really good sense for blocking on the right-side. Edit: MB hit .115 in conference as L2 last year. I don't think that's a recipe for success. Brenner is a very strong passer. No argument there. I don't think moving Agost to the middle would be the best use of her talent. She has the potential to be an outstanding collegiate outside hitter. Whether or not she lives up to this potential is a whole different story, but again, I redshirting her this year and giving her a chance to work on her technique would be the best thing for her to do now. Her stats were pretty good against Illinois State, but she's not going to have that kind of success against Stanford, USC, Washington, etc. Martenne looked very good on the right. But if Shebby's only out for a week, go with a 5-1 for the weekend. Don't waste a year of Agost's eligibility when she's clearly not ready to play.
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Post by chisovnik on Sept 2, 2014 0:05:46 GMT -5
I hope chisovnik was trolling. You're still here?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 2, 2014 9:55:50 GMT -5
Brenner is a very strong passer. No argument there. I don't think moving Agost to the middle would be the best use of her talent. She has the potential to be an outstanding collegiate outside hitter. Whether or not she lives up to this potential is a whole different story, but again, I redshirting her this year and giving her a chance to work on her technique would be the best thing for her to do now. Her stats were pretty good against Illinois State, but she's not going to have that kind of success against Stanford, USC, Washington, etc. Martenne looked very good on the right. But if Shebby's only out for a week, go with a 5-1 for the weekend. Don't waste a year of Agost's eligibility when she's clearly not ready to play. You're assuming (a) she wanted to redshirt and (b) that she wouldn't have played otherwise. We're not "wasting" a year of eligibility, we're trying to become the best we can be this season, and Agost playing, either as a spot sub or competing for a starting position and pushing the incumbents, helps the team achieve that. How much of Agost have you seen? She obviously has potential as an outside, but she also has a ton of potential in the middle with how she can block and her high contact point. Looking forward a few years, we'll have more pins who can score than we know what to do with, but not as much depth in the middle - that might be where she helps us most. Or maybe she learns to pass and becomes a side-out machine. Too early to put her in a box. Back on topic, I've gotta think mid-major programs are not happy about these "Big 4" tournament clones -- must be making it a lot harder for them to schedule.
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