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Post by 642fiddi on Sept 2, 2014 22:01:09 GMT -5
Is anybody aware if there are any college teams running a 6-2 that actually allow the setters to hit? I see most programs have short setters and sub them out in the front row. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 22:03:26 GMT -5
Currently? What's Purdue running this year? Nichol hit last year. Not both, however.
It's been a while -- 2004 Minnesota? -- since a top program has had two hitting setters.
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Post by 642fiddi on Sept 2, 2014 22:04:55 GMT -5
how about just 1 of the 2 hitting?
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 2, 2014 22:05:41 GMT -5
Becca Strehlow is currently setting and hitting for Pepperdine. Chanel Brown (who it feels like entered college the same time Gysin did) is setting too but subbed out in front.
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 2, 2014 22:08:01 GMT -5
NCAA sub rules favor specialization.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 22:11:53 GMT -5
NCAA sub rules favor specialization. OK. But no coach is going to NOT use their setters to hit if they are better hitters than the bench options. For instance, if Florida had two Kelly Murphys. Well, no good coach anyhow. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 2, 2014 22:16:55 GMT -5
NCAA sub rules favor specialization. OK. But no coach is going to NOT use their setters to hit if they are better hitters than the bench options. For instance, if Florida had two Kelly Murphys. Well, no good coach anyhow. Yeah, of course. But that's rare, rare, rare. Under traditional sub rules, the 6-2 is a compromise where you maybe don't have your best setter or your all your best hitters on the floor, but the other advantages make up for it. Under NCAA sub rules you can specialize your hitters and setters and the only price you pay is you don't get to use multiple specialized DSs. It's like, nobody would use a DH in baseball if their pitcher was the best hitter on the team. But so what? He never is. Specialization rules wherever the rules allow it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 22:33:42 GMT -5
I'm unclear on what you are saying. Are you saying that specialization has removed the hitting setter from the sport? This may be true. I just don't know if that's your point or not.
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Post by owlsem on Sept 2, 2014 23:16:14 GMT -5
I'm unclear on what you are saying. Are you saying that specialization has removed the hitting setter from the sport? This may be true. I just don't know if that's your point or not. I think the additional subs make it easier to sub an additional 4 inches for the block on the right side. The 5 - 1 is not dead but there are not many elite athletes that can do what it take to be an offensive 5 - 1 setter. If you are not offensive you are not really a 5 - 1 setter, you have freaky good middles and/or left sides. If you can't be a 5 - 1 setter it is difficult to manage the responsibilities of setting which requires speed and quickness (and good hands) and still have the size to hit at the elite level. So with the additional subs the opportunity for the defense and sometimes attack of a bigger player is best for a team and makes the hitting setter a rare asset. I suspect there is a difference between how many setters do hit or set 5 - 1 at the top of the rankings and the middle of the scale where the athletes size becomes less extreme on average but I have never seen any research on this point. |
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Post by BearClause on Sept 2, 2014 23:43:32 GMT -5
The last 6-2 I recall where both hitters actually got to hit was Stanford in 1996 If you checked out the stats, Cary Wendell and Lisa Sharpley led the team #1/2 in kills and assists. Oregon ran a 4-2 flex back around 2000. They started with that, but would sometimes have a hitter sub in and sometimes deliberately have the front-row setter hit. dailyemerald.com/2000/10/12/oregon-volleyball-sets-up-different-offensive-lineup/ |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 3, 2014 0:31:44 GMT -5
NCAA sub rules favor specialization. OK. But no coach is going to NOT use their setters to hit if they are better hitters than the bench options. For instance, if Florida had two Kelly Murphys. Well, no good coach anyhow. However, an S/OPP allows saving two subs every six rotations, which can be used to sub a serving sub or a DS in the backrow for one of the OHs, if she isn't as good a passer/defender. The plan was for Bailey Tanner (who is 6'1") to set and hit for UW this season, but she had foot surgery last spring and is just setting this fall to lessen the chances of re-injury. |
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Post by volleyfan24 on Sept 3, 2014 0:39:11 GMT -5
I personally hate the 6-2 a setter who can run the offense throughout allows the same tempo for all hitters. I favor the 5-1. If a team has that good of a setter they would never run 6-2. Its interesting to think that Hancock was converted to setter if they would choose to switch her to run the 6-2 and hit.
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Post by Garand on Sept 3, 2014 1:33:58 GMT -5
I think the trend to taller setters will cause a shift in the current approaches. Tall setters that can block and hit out of a 5-1 will become more common, despite the increased subs. Texas is an interesting experiment to watch right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 7:59:12 GMT -5
The last 6-2 I recall where both hitters actually got to hit was Stanford in 1996 If you checked out the stats, Cary Wendell and Lisa Sharpley led the team #1/2 in kills and assists. Oregon ran a 4-2 flex back around 2000. They started with that, but would sometimes have a hitter sub in and sometimes deliberately have the front-row setter hit. dailyemerald.com/2000/10/12/oregon-volleyball-sets-up-different-offensive-lineup/Minnesota 2004. |
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Post by 87bruin on Sept 3, 2014 10:38:24 GMT -5
Northeastern typically runs a 6-2 where one setter stays across the front to hit and the other is in for the back row spots only. It's been VERY effective for the Huskies and Coach Nichols really gets the most out of his kids talents.
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