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Post by JB Southpaw on Sept 9, 2014 14:08:31 GMT -5
Ok Klazk, figure these out!  Entries for this championship will be based on team points for 2014, this includes the open qualifier. If you have more than 4 finishes with the same partner, your best 4 finishes together in 2014 will be your entry total. If you have less than 4 finishes together in 2014 then those 2 or 3 finishes together will be your total. If this will be your first event together in 2014 then you will be seeded lower than all other teams that have played multiple events together in 2014. Men's pointsWomen's points |
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Post by haze on Sept 9, 2014 14:59:02 GMT -5
So is AVPNext Championship Tournament for this it's own qualifer with only the winner getting into the main bracket, or are the players from the AVPNext regions filtered into the qualifier along with everyone else?
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Post by JB Southpaw on Sept 9, 2014 15:01:30 GMT -5
So is AVPNext Championship Tournament for this it's own qualifer with only the winner getting into the main bracket, or are the players from the AVPNext regions filtered into the qualifier along with everyone else? from the AVPNext web-site: ....In addition to winning prize money and a trip to Southern California, the winners of each regional market earn the AVP points equivalent of a 13th place finish in an AVP main draw event. The winner of the AVPNext Championship Cup then earns a berth into the main draw of the AVP Championships, earning themselves the points equivalent to at least a 13th place finish. The AVPNext Championship Cup will be held on the North Side of the Pier in Huntington Beach, Calif. on Thursday, Sept. 18. The winners from each region will face off in a one-day double elimination tournament where the winner advances into the main draw of the smart AVP Championships at Huntington Beach Sept. 19-21. |
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Post by klazk on Sept 9, 2014 15:05:00 GMT -5
Ok Klazk, figure these out! Entries for this championship will be based on team points for 2014, this includes the open qualifier. If you have more than 4 finishes with the same partner, your best 4 finishes together in 2014 will be your entry total. If you have less than 4 finishes together in 2014 then those 2 or 3 finishes together will be your total. If this will be your first event together in 2014 then you will be seeded lower than all other teams that have played multiple events together in 2014. Men's pointsWomen's pointsThat's actually awesome. I like this twist. Of course, I hope this was communicated to players BEFORE the first event of 2014, since it is impacting your entry/seeding into an event. |
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Post by JB Southpaw on Sept 9, 2014 15:33:53 GMT -5
Ok Klazk, figure these out! Entries for this championship will be based on team points for 2014, this includes the open qualifier. If you have more than 4 finishes with the same partner, your best 4 finishes together in 2014 will be your entry total. If you have less than 4 finishes together in 2014 then those 2 or 3 finishes together will be your total. If this will be your first event together in 2014 then you will be seeded lower than all other teams that have played multiple events together in 2014. Men's pointsWomen's pointsThat's actually awesome. I like this twist. Of course, I hope this was communicated to players BEFORE the first event of 2014, since it is impacting your entry/seeding into an event. right!! Put money on Slick and Adrian staying together!! ...actually, Adrian could really f-him, and pick up Belov since Slick didn't play the 1st one.... |
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Post by vb1987 on Sept 9, 2014 19:37:17 GMT -5
I think it is pretty stupid to change up the points structure/seeding for the final tournament of the year. The current system works just fine, but they decide to go and totally change it for the final event. It may make for some really good or different early matches but I definitely don't think its the most fair method.
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Post by boxarox on Sept 9, 2014 20:15:35 GMT -5
Amen, and it pissed-off every player who's had a partner change this season, which won't encourage participation.
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Post by klazk on Sept 10, 2014 7:56:36 GMT -5
Here is the men top 12 (by the best of my calculations)
#1 Gibb/Patterson 2890
#2 Doherty/Lucena 2460
#3 Bourne/Hyden 2370
#4 Keenan/Mayer 2190
#5 Dalhausser/Rosenthal 2170
#6 Brunner/Rogers 2080
#7 (tie) Casebeer/Jennings 1810
#7 (tie) Allen/Crabb 1810
#9 Carumbula/Slick 1660
#10 Brazao/Growowski 1340
#11 Drost/Olson 1230
#12 McColloch/Olson 1210
Seems pretty close to what it likely would have been under the normal seeding.
Players that appear to be hurt the worst due to partner switches - Tramblie, Belov, Montgomery, Ratledge, Burik. To a lesser extent Bates & McKienzie. Not sure any of them would have been a lock for top 12 even if they stayed with one partner, though.
Obviously could have a larger impact on qualifier seeding, but not going to schedule all that out - especially because then you get into who is going to play with who. The top 12 all are current partnerships, so wouldn't think they would change at this point.
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Post by volleyballer4life on Sept 10, 2014 9:05:35 GMT -5
I apologize for being late to the party, but I want to make sure I understand exactly how this works. 1) Points are not going to be individual totals, but totals that the partnership had. So if two partners have 300 points a piece, but never played together, they will be below anyone that has played together before. 2) Thursday will have two tournaments going on, the AVPNext Championships as well as the actual qualifier. 3) Is the AVPNext Champion getting a spot in the 12 spots, or are they taking one of the four qualifier spots? Any feedback would be appreciated |
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Post by klazk on Sept 10, 2014 16:00:01 GMT -5
Women top 12 (to the best of my calculation)
#1 Ross/Walsh 3000
#2 Fendrick/Sweat 2560
#3 Day/Ross 2260
#4 Carico/DiCello 1860
#5 Branagh/Dowdy 1650
#6 Hughes/Pavlik 1530
#7 Daley/Hochevar 1400
#8 Stockman/Weamer 1360
#9 Piening/Wallin-Brockaway 1290 (only 3 events)
#10 Pazo/Shaw 1270
#11 Gysin/Miller 1230
#12 Day/Engle 1220
Obvious loser to me is Tealle Hunkus who has a 5th, two 7ths and a 9th as her best 4 finishes of the year, but played 2 events with 3 different partners and will probably end up in the qualifier. Van Zwieten had a 7th and three 9ths. Put their points together and they would have 1380 points, clearly a main draw caliber team.
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Post by volleyballer4life on Sept 11, 2014 9:04:12 GMT -5
I'd like to add one more question to my above ones: For the teams that have never paired together, do we have any idea how they'll be seeded? I take it if only the 2014 events are used for the pairings that are above them, only their individual 2014 points will count when seeding the pairs with no team points (Have they said why they're doing it this way? I've created a spreadsheet to try to get a rough estimate of seedings and it looks pretty random after the top teams).
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Post by vb1987 on Sept 11, 2014 10:33:40 GMT -5
I'd like to add one more question to my above ones: For the teams that have never paired together, do we have any idea how they'll be seeded? I take it if only the 2014 events are used for the pairings that are above them, only their individual 2014 points will count when seeding the pairs with no team points (Have they said why they're doing it this way? I've created a spreadsheet to try to get a rough estimate of seedings and it looks pretty random after the top teams). Yeah, this is how they are going to do it. If you haven't played events together you will be seeded below those who have, but then it will go to team points... Again, I would love to hear AVP's logic behind this seeding change. I'm sure it would be a riot.... I assume it has something to do with people wanting to root for teams and not individuals but cmon. This is hurting the guys towards the bottom of the main draw and qualifier teams, it really has nothing to do with the teams people are showing up to watch. |
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Post by volleyballer4life on Sept 11, 2014 10:36:21 GMT -5
I'd like to add one more question to my above ones: For the teams that have never paired together, do we have any idea how they'll be seeded? I take it if only the 2014 events are used for the pairings that are above them, only their individual 2014 points will count when seeding the pairs with no team points (Have they said why they're doing it this way? I've created a spreadsheet to try to get a rough estimate of seedings and it looks pretty random after the top teams). Yeah, this is how they are going to do it. If you haven't played events together you will be seeded below those who have, but then it will go to team points... Again, I would love to hear AVP's logic behind this seeding change. I'm sure it would be a riot.... I assume it has something to do with people wanting to root for teams and not individuals but cmon. This is hurting the guys towards the bottom of the main draw and qualifier teams, it really has nothing to do with the teams people are showing up to watch. Only 2014 results, correct? If a player has 2 2014 finishes and 2 2013, only the 2 2014 will count? That makes sense to me with everything above, but I've never heard of them doing this before. |
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Post by klazk on Sept 11, 2014 10:46:04 GMT -5
Again, I would love to hear AVP's logic behind this seeding change. I'm sure it would be a riot.... I assume it has something to do with people wanting to root for teams and not individuals but cmon. This is hurting the guys towards the bottom of the main draw and qualifier teams, it really has nothing to do with the teams people are showing up to watch. I assumed (which I know is usually a bad idea) the thought was that this is the "2014 championship event," so they were switching it up for this event only to crown a 2014 team champion. |
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Post by boxarox on Sept 11, 2014 10:59:01 GMT -5
Or maybe they're trying to re-create the Harlem Globetrotter effect without waiting for the "natural selection" of tiny draws to make it happen.
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