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Post by spartysgirl on Sept 21, 2014 15:44:04 GMT -5
***Regarding MSU losing-LIU is very good, especially defensively, but the recap's most important line, "…both setters…were also on the bench": www.msuspartans.com/sports/w-volley/recaps/091914aaa.html Minarick is back and things have steadied, which made the following two matches vs WKU and Milwaukee quick sweeps in favor of MSU. That may be an important line to you as a Michigan State fan, but luckily for LIU-Brooklyn this is not taken into consideration when calculating their win-loss record. Obviously, but the QUESTION to start this thread was whether LIU was heating up or is everyone else cooling down. The answer I gave, regarding MSU, is that LIU played hard, but the result would very, very likely have been quite different if two bench ds's had not been setting for MSU in that tight match. Honestly, just answering the the thread originator's question, not looking to say anything negative.
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 21, 2014 15:51:28 GMT -5
Must be a pipeline to Serbia, 4 kids from there. And only 5 kids from the US or its territories.
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Post by gnu2vball on Sept 21, 2014 17:01:45 GMT -5
Maybe there's no local talent that wants to play there? And after all, it's likely not a garden sport like State College or Madison. Nevertheless, it's likely a step up from Belgrade.
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Post by ja on Sept 21, 2014 20:40:31 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken LIU Brooklyn student body is around 11 K. This is what you call a small school? In 2004 they won 32 games and in 2005 Toby was COY with 26 wins, LIU won NEC with Toby three times in the row, went to NCAA for 10 times at least in last 14 years. They do have some traditions. To say that nobody heard about them and call LIU "a very small school"... check you facts before posting. Their tradition is winning a weak conference that allows them an automatic entry to the tourney; this program is not one that would ever receive an at-large bid. Most of their wins (most of their matches) come against competition ranked in the 250-300 range according to Pablo, so I think that the fact they're beating some quality teams this season is worth noting, no matter what the population of the school is. (I think it's more like 8,000. It seems you 'recalled' that 11,000 from Wikipedia, but that's a bit overstated compared to what the LIU website shows.) I also doubt that most of America has ever heard of LIU-Brooklyn. Winning the NEC for 100 years consecutively would still make it just fine to talk about wins over Alabama, Michigan State, BC, Temple, etc. 11,000 taken from both pharmaceutical program and regular programs. Yes NEC is pretty week conference, but the entire Northeast is pretty week with exception of PSU. Small in terms of campus, but I would never call this small school. There are few colleges near by with student body around and under 1000. They are small colleges. Unfortunately most of America do not know a lot of things and most of colleges will go unnoticed outside of local counties and states. LIU is not the best school, but there are few very serious programs. Back to volleyball, winning over Binghamton is not a big deal, they are horrible this year. Navy is not a strong team either. Wins over MSU and WKU will help them to stay in top 100. They will sweep NEC once again and get to NCAA. Those wins should help them not to run into PSU and maybe get tournament win this year. They improved steadily over last four years. RPI 2010 - 282, 2011 - 148, 2012 - 125, 2013 - 84.
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Post by ja on Sept 21, 2014 20:56:45 GMT -5
LIU Brooklyn student body is around 11 K. This is what you call a small school? It's a small school. Physically it's very small. But it's a commuter school, so total enrollment is big for its physical size. Lots of part-time students, day and night. Academically it's at the low end of higher education, accessible to students who might not be in a four-year college otherwise. Pharmaceutical program ranked #77 in country; Physician Assistant - #94 and Occupational Therapy - #100. It is urban university with most student commuting, the same way as most NYC schools. Should we call Baruch, Hunter, Brooklyn colleges small schools? What about SJU? Also small school? All of them over 10K and do not have 100 acres, land is pretty expensive in NYC!
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Post by Mocha on Sept 21, 2014 22:36:30 GMT -5
It's a small school. Physically it's very small. But it's a commuter school, so total enrollment is big for its physical size. Lots of part-time students, day and night. Academically it's at the low end of higher education, accessible to students who might not be in a four-year college otherwise. Pharmaceutical program ranked #77 in country; Physician Assistant - #94 and Occupational Therapy - #100. It is urban university with most student commuting, the same way as most NYC schools. Should we call Baruch, Hunter, Brooklyn colleges small schools? What about SJU? Also small school? All of them over 10K and do not have 100 acres, land is pretty expensive in NYC! Don't forget Fordham. I'm guessing LIU can sell the program to foreign players because of its proximity to NYC, one flight away from almost anywhere in Europe, as opposed to let's say Lincoln or Champaign.
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Post by bownlovingfreak on Sept 22, 2014 0:00:09 GMT -5
I saw Brooklyn play back in 2006 and they were quite competitive against San Diego and Long Beach in a tournament. They have always had a huge international pipeline. I remember they had Germans, a Romanian, and Israeli and some former Yugoslavians. Happy to see them doing well!
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Post by ja on Sept 22, 2014 7:46:32 GMT -5
I saw Brooklyn play back in 2006 and they were quite competitive against San Diego and Long Beach in a tournament. They have always had a huge international pipeline. I remember they had Germans, a Romanian, and Israeli and some former Yugoslavians. Happy to see them doing well! Dinu brought first serious International talent back in 2001-3 and kind of open the line for international players. Kyle was toying at the beginning with some Colorado girls, but did not do really well. Now he is back to International rout and doing pretty good. The best seasons for SJU also tied to International pipeline. Speaking about 2002-2005, they had a really good players in Dana Demayo, Christina Pentalie and Ivana Vasiljevich. It was a powerful team with good block and floor defense!
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Post by donneyp on Sept 22, 2014 8:07:16 GMT -5
Ivana Vasiljevich is still my absolute favorite player ever. Nobody has ever wanted to win anything as much as she wanted to win every point. Sometimes I worried for her teammates when they weren't playing well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 8:51:57 GMT -5
Do they have any America-born players on the roster?
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Post by curly on Sept 22, 2014 18:54:09 GMT -5
Do they have any America-born players on the roster? At the Spartan Invitational, their senior German player, Annika Foit, won the well-deserved MVP award; she is a very dynamic and skilled 5' 9" outside hitter. Their Serbian outside hitter and setter were also on the All-Tournament team. The other starters against MSU were a Serbian MB, a Puerto Rican L, a Hawai'ian OH, and a Texan MB. They were quite entertaining to watch against the Spartans, but they were a big letdown in the match against Milwaukee. Nevertheless, they really would not have had much chance of beating the Spartans if not for the two injured setters for MSU, so that win says much more about the MSU team that was on the court than it says about Brooklyn. Interestingly, MSU found themselves on the other side of that scenario against Milwaukee, when the Panthers' starting setter had to be taken from the court on a stretcher during warmups. Milwaukee struggled through the match with backup setters, just as MSU had done the day before. As a trivia note, Brooklyn's volunteer assistant coach Jennifer Robinson, who is married to their head coach, is better known to Spartan fans as 1999 MSU volleyball alum MB/RS Jenny Whitehead.
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Post by ja on Sept 22, 2014 19:46:48 GMT -5
Jen was a full time assistant till she gave a birth to their second child couple years ago.
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Post by Babar on Sept 22, 2014 21:09:34 GMT -5
Not sure I see anything special on this list I was not familiar with LIU but I am familiar with the coaches at MSU and WKU. For any small school to be not only competietive but to win matches against those programs is impressive to me.
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 23, 2014 7:56:07 GMT -5
Pharmaceutical program ranked #77 in country; Physician Assistant - #94 and Occupational Therapy - #100. It is urban university with most student commuting, the same way as most NYC schools. Should we call Baruch, Hunter, Brooklyn colleges small schools? What about SJU? Also small school? All of them over 10K and do not have 100 acres, land is pretty expensive in NYC! Don't forget Fordham. I'm guessing LIU can sell the program to foreign players because of its proximity to NYC, one flight away from almost anywhere in Europe, as opposed to let's say Lincoln or Champaign. LIU Brooklyn is also what is called a minority-serving institution, meaning that the majority of its students are minorities (and it gets special federal aid). It is not the same as a HBCU. This might also serve as appealing to international students.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 7:53:09 GMT -5
Interestingly, MSU found themselves on the other side of that scenario against Milwaukee, when the Panthers' starting setter had to be taken from the court on a stretcher during warmups. Milwaukee struggled through the match with backup setters, just as MSU had done the day before.What is the story with Sparty's setters? Looked as if the freshman was back for the finale.
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