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Post by vbaustin on Sept 23, 2014 12:36:50 GMT -5
At the end of the day, you have to score points (kills, blocks, aces). Liberos can only do one of those. You need the hitters who can terminate and end rallies in your favor. This is the exact same discussion as to why there weren't a lot of Big 10 liberos making high all conference selections. The impact on a match isn't as high for a libero than a top OH or other hitter. The Texas example...they had some of the best hitters in the country last year. Decent libero, decent DS to play back row. They made final 4 and lost. Yes their ball control became an issue but they stil made final four!!!! offense sells tickets, defense wins tournaments |
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Post by bc1900 on Sept 23, 2014 12:45:28 GMT -5
It's so true that you don't appreciate having a good libero until you don't have one, BUT as pointed out above, it's all about supply and demand. There are numerous quality liberos out there, including club/HS OH's who have converted because they're undersized for D1, so if your daughter doesn't want the walk-on libero spot, there is someone else of comparable skill who does.
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Post by volleytology on Sept 23, 2014 12:48:23 GMT -5
At the end of the day, you have to score points (kills, blocks, aces). Liberos can only do one of those. You need the hitters who can terminate and end rallies in your favor. This is the exact same discussion as to why there weren't a lot of Big 10 liberos making high all conference selections. The impact on a match isn't as high for a libero than a top OH or other hitter. The Texas example...they had some of the best hitters in the country last year. Decent libero, decent DS to play back row. They made final 4 and lost. Yes their ball control became an issue but they stil made final four!!!! offense sells tickets, defense wins tournaments Actually, scoring points wins tournaments and hitter's score points. For example, Morey was awesome for Wisconsin against Washington and was clearly the best defender on the court for either team, but in the end, Wisconsin's hitters couldn't convert those kills for points often enough. What makes Penn State great, year in year out, is they have the great defender's every year (a ton of them), but also the terminating pin hitters to finish points as well. Lacking in either/or area eventually catches up to you |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Sept 23, 2014 12:53:03 GMT -5
While it used to be the case that starting liberos would be walk-ons, I don't think that is common these days, certainly among top programs. DSs are another matter.
Giving a scholarship to a libero shouldn't be a problem, as long as a school doesn't give less than 12 scholarships.
Some coaches like to hold onto a scholarship, in case a transfer comes knocking. If not given to a transfer, that scholarship can be loaned, so to speak, for a year to a DS.
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Post by blazermedia on Sept 26, 2014 10:49:48 GMT -5
Libero is the most saturated position in recruiting. Not just the players who want to be or have always been a Libero, but you have every sub 5'9 setter and OH "trying their luck" at getting recruited as a Libero. The numbers of contacts a college coach receives where Libero is primary or secondary position is staggering. That being said....if you have 5 Libero/DS candidates who are all pretty close in ability and the top one wants a full scholarship, but numbers 2 and 3 on your list are willing to walk on, you will probably take them and use the scholarship to add another tall "project" hitter in hopes that they contribute some day.
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Post by bayarea on Sept 26, 2014 11:32:57 GMT -5
Even top liberos are often willing to accept less than 4 years scholarship...typically 2 or 3 years. Whereas a top hitter wouldn't sign for less than 4 years (unless they are Stanford, who manages 3 years with even the best recruits).
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Post by vbman100 on Sept 26, 2014 12:45:01 GMT -5
Ok, let me vent. Why is it that the 4th &/or 5th Middle Hitter is on full scholarship, despite never playing, and probably never will. But the Libero or #1 DS is a walk on with no scholarship, despite being far more important to the team and winning now? Makes no sense. The Libero is a key player and so is the DS, it is such a ball control game now. Ask Texas what a crappy passing team will do to your chances last year. Yet, there is only one, maybe 2 back row players on scholarship? Yes, I understand that the 4th or 5th MH may be a freshman and contribute down the line, but the Libero and DSL are contributing NOW! Thoughts? Thousands of passers to choose from. Any of them at USC? |
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Post by Phillytom on Sept 26, 2014 13:28:43 GMT -5
The proportion of 18 year old women 6-2 or over who have the athleticism to play college volleyball is is miniscule. Height plus speed plus coordination is rare.
If you're not a super-program who can recruit highly polished 6-2 hitters and 6-3 middles, you take 5-11 hitters and 6-2 to 6-4 semi-skilled middles and try to teach the latter how to play the game.
On the other hand, there are a million very good 5-4 to 5-6 middles out there, basically ready to play college ball. Some are better than others but the general skill level is very high.
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Post by Phillytom on Sept 26, 2014 13:31:24 GMT -5
... and the thing about Stanford is, if you're not from a wealthy family, need-based financial aid is extremely generous. So it's not like that year without an athletic scholarship is going to cost you $60,000 -- it may cost more like $15,000 or less for middle class families, particularly if there are siblings in college. Even top liberos are often willing to accept less than 4 years scholarship...typically 2 or 3 years. Whereas a top hitter wouldn't sign for less than 4 years (unless they are Stanford, who manages 3 years with even the best recruits). |
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