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Post by deacondive on Sept 24, 2014 12:20:57 GMT -5
Klineman and Fawcett both played on the left in college...neither has looked great internationally on the right. Understood. They're on the right now, which is where mediocre passers belong internationally. Paging Haley Eckermann...
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Post by memorybankrupt on Sept 24, 2014 12:53:57 GMT -5
Right!!! Since NCAA D-1 schools can't block or dig her, it's certain that Olympic caliber teams can't either. No...but none of the players on the current roster were one woman shows in college. She hits the ball higher and harder than Murphy, but the key will be if she can't adjust to the speed of the international game. That is precisely the case. Murphy can hit at this ridiculously fast tempo. Not sure yet if Lowe has that ability. I think the US will have several options at OPP with Webster, Eckerman, and Scott. But to echo what others stated, none are Hooker. Also folks are way too hard on Robinson. She is just out of college. I think she's going to be the best passing OH to come out of college since Larson.
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 24, 2014 13:27:53 GMT -5
Understood. They're on the right now, which is where mediocre passers belong internationally. Paging Haley Eckermann... She definitely can't hit at a fast tempo...struggling with it this year and that's just something other than a moonball-fast.
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Post by deacondive on Sept 24, 2014 13:40:50 GMT -5
No...but none of the players on the current roster were one woman shows in college. She hits the ball higher and harder than Murphy, but the key will be if she can't adjust to the speed of the international game. That is precisely the case. Murphy can hit at this ridiculously fast tempo. Not sure yet if Lowe has that ability. I think the US will have several options at OPP with Webster, Eckerman, and Scott. But to echo what others stated, none are Hooker. Also folks are way too hard on Robinson. She is just out of college. I think she's going to be the best passing OH to come out of college since Larson. The thing about Hooker and Lowe is that they don't need to go at this hyperspeed because they can hit over the block. Robinson and Hill need this system to be successful and it certainly enhances Murphy's game too. The system has not been a fit for Larson and any of the middles. The US has a physical advantage over most other teams and this system absolutely negates that advantage.
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Post by Reach on Sept 24, 2014 15:29:27 GMT -5
That is precisely the case. Murphy can hit at this ridiculously fast tempo. Not sure yet if Lowe has that ability. I think the US will have several options at OPP with Webster, Eckerman, and Scott. But to echo what others stated, none are Hooker. Also folks are way too hard on Robinson. She is just out of college. I think she's going to be the best passing OH to come out of college since Larson. The thing about Hooker and Lowe is that they don't need to go at this hyperspeed because they can hit over the block. Robinson and Hill need this system to be successful and it certainly enhances Murphy's game too. The system has not been a fit for Larson and any of the middles. The US has a physical advantage over most other teams and this system absolutely negates that advantage. Not in Karchypoos mind
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Post by janephil on Sept 25, 2014 1:53:30 GMT -5
Its a shame that our two best players, Tom & Hooker are not on this roster. I cannot wait for Hodge to come back. We need more firepower and the other outsides besides Larson aren't passing amazingly well to warrant keeping them on the floor over Hodge, when/if she comes back. I think Hodge will open up the offense, a lot!
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Post by janephil on Sept 25, 2014 1:58:16 GMT -5
Can someone please explain? Is Tom out of the team because Karch feels she is too old? because looking at Hildy, Robinson, and Hill; their performance are not that spectacular to warrant him passing Tom?! Really..I am no volleyball coach but plain spectator..it doesn't add up?? Weird..just, age?
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Post by Pipe Attack on Sept 25, 2014 3:22:04 GMT -5
That is precisely the case. Murphy can hit at this ridiculously fast tempo. Not sure yet if Lowe has that ability. I think the US will have several options at OPP with Webster, Eckerman, and Scott. But to echo what others stated, none are Hooker. Also folks are way too hard on Robinson. She is just out of college. I think she's going to be the best passing OH to come out of college since Larson. The thing about Hooker and Lowe is that they don't need to go at this hyperspeed because they can hit over the block. Robinson and Hill need this system to be successful and it certainly enhances Murphy's game too. The system has not been a fit for Larson and any of the middles. The US has a physical advantage over most other teams and this system absolutely negates that advantage. I really don't understand the necessity for this current ultahyper offense. I remember several years back, if I'm recalling correctly and not making things up, Japan was trying for something ultra quick (like even monitoring the seconds it took for the ball to go from the setter's hands to the outside hitter's hand). I can understand them (Japan) wanting to try it, as they focus on ball control and they need something to balance their deficit in height. I don't understand why it is being hoped that this is the next greatest invention in volleyball and that it could work for the US team since it's not really run in the NCAA (pipeline). If they don't thrive with that style in all their trainings (girls juniors and women's college), how can they be expected to perform at the radical speed (it is currently being implemented) at the international level (consistently). Plus, this type of offensive system requires precision passing probably from the outside hitters -- which the NCAA does not help produce (with it's emphasis on substitution and specialization). In fact, I thought someone like Hildebrand and maybe even Hodge were superb passers in NCAA play ... Jordan Larson too but she has adjusted well when it comes to international passing -- whereas many have struggled. As for the hyperspeed offense, it's not something that's comfortable (in my opinion) to the likes of Larson and Fawcett, but I'm just wondering why it wouldn't work with the middles -- as the tempo of their sets wouldn't really be that different than they are accustomed to, right?
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Post by ironhammer on Sept 25, 2014 4:28:56 GMT -5
Precisely. This is exactly what I am worried about. We'll just have to wait and see (and hope) Karch will figure out the right strategy for the team in time. I'm not sure about that. Mick was already an experienced head coach when he joined the National Team, and though he struggled, he had much better management experience and skills than Karch.True, but just being a devil's advocate for a moment, better management and skill is a matter of opinion of course. You can argue Mick has more coaching experience than Karch, but experience alone does not make a better coach all the time. Who knows, if somehow Karch can produce a World Cup or Olympic winner out of Team USA, everyone would be praising him. I know, that seems like a stretch right now, but you never know...
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Post by deacondive on Sept 25, 2014 7:19:05 GMT -5
The thing about Hooker and Lowe is that they don't need to go at this hyperspeed because they can hit over the block. Robinson and Hill need this system to be successful and it certainly enhances Murphy's game too. The system has not been a fit for Larson and any of the middles. The US has a physical advantage over most other teams and this system absolutely negates that advantage. I really don't understand the necessity for this current ultahyper offense. I remember several years back, if I'm recalling correctly and not making things up, Japan was trying for something ultra quick (like even monitoring the seconds it took for the ball to go from the setter's hands to the outside hitter's hand). I can understand them (Japan) wanting to try it, as they focus on ball control and they need something to balance their deficit in height. I don't understand why it is being hoped that this is the next greatest invention in volleyball and that it could work for the US team since it's not really run in the NCAA (pipeline). If they don't thrive with that style in all their trainings (girls juniors and women's college), how can they be expected to perform at the radical speed (it is currently being implemented) at the international level (consistently). Plus, this type of offensive system requires precision passing probably from the outside hitters -- which the NCAA does not help produce (with it's emphasis on substitution and specialization). In fact, I thought someone like Hildebrand and maybe even Hodge were superb passers in NCAA play ... Jordan Larson too but she has adjusted well when it comes to international passing -- whereas many have struggled. As for the hyperspeed offense, it's not something that's comfortable (in my opinion) to the likes of Larson and Fawcett, but I'm just wondering why it wouldn't work with the middles -- as the tempo of their sets wouldn't really be that different than they are accustomed to, right? The middles are still being underset in the offense, especially in front of the setter. The US has some of the most physical middles sans Brazil and low sets, especially to Adams and Foluke make it tough on them.
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Post by Upfrontvb on Sept 25, 2014 7:25:44 GMT -5
Don't you think that they have slowed down the sets to the OHs somewhat since the WGP? It appears to me. Murphy has been able to adjust to the setting. Yes, the middles should be used more but I think its do to the connection between the setters and them.
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Post by Reach on Sept 25, 2014 9:37:17 GMT -5
Can someone please explain? Is Tom out of the team because Karch feels she is too old? because looking at Hildy, Robinson, and Hill; their performance are not that spectacular to warrant him passing Tom?! Really..I am no volleyball coach but plain spectator..it doesn't add up?? Weird..just, age? Karch has publicly said that the coaching staff made the decision to go with a younger group of outsides... Tom isn't young.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 25, 2014 9:44:48 GMT -5
Can someone please explain? Is Tom out of the team because Karch feels she is too old? because looking at Hildy, Robinson, and Hill; their performance are not that spectacular to warrant him passing Tom?! Really..I am no volleyball coach but plain spectator..it doesn't add up?? Weird..just, age? Karch has publicly said that the coaching staff made the decision to go with a younger group of outsides... Tom isn't young. And how old is Richards?
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Post by kc8413 on Sept 25, 2014 9:49:14 GMT -5
Can someone please explain? Is Tom out of the team because Karch feels she is too old? because looking at Hildy, Robinson, and Hill; their performance are not that spectacular to warrant him passing Tom?! Really..I am no volleyball coach but plain spectator..it doesn't add up?? Weird..just, age? Karch has publicly said that the coaching staff made the decision to go with a younger group of outsides... Tom isn't young. If that's the case, his logic doesn't quite make sense to me. For instance, why would you choose Hildebrand who's only around 4 years younger over Tom who has played in 4 Olympics? I think saying he's choosing to go with a younger group of OH is finding a way out of his real reasons. I'm not saying he has other reasons, but saying age is the excluding factor isn't rational. If lets say Tom being 4 years older than Hildebrand equates to Tom being that much worse as an OH option than Hildebrand, then sure don't consider Tom as an option. But the reality is Tom is still that much better. I don't know what Hildebrand brings to the team. When she's good, she's really good, but a lot of people have commented on her streakiness. When she's bad, she's really bad (e.g. the match against Mexico). She's clearly not a starter, but can you sub her in to make a difference if she can't pass a ball, doesn't really have a great serve?
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Post by Upfrontvb on Sept 25, 2014 10:49:16 GMT -5
How many times do we have to address the issue that Tom, Hooker or even Hodge is not on the team this year? You have a poster who has only posted 21 times and brings up the same issue that's always discussed. Just stirring up the same old posts.
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