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Post by Boof1224 on Sept 26, 2014 9:57:17 GMT -5
Ok, let's turn this around. Deme is OH. Now, who is the DS? Did it occur to you that looking at the situation as a whole, her skills relative to the rest of the personnel will help the team more in the backrow? Let's say she is back at DS, but someone, unnamed, is now the DS and shanks 50% of her digs, and serve receives. Is that helpful? Maybe psu can lend them one. They only have 100 of them. Rose stockpiles defensive specialists.
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 26, 2014 10:29:06 GMT -5
If she starts as an OH, she just stays in the game and plays that spot in the back-row. She plays for Chapman in the back.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Sept 26, 2014 10:34:15 GMT -5
If she starts as an OH, she just stays in the game and plays that spot in the back-row. She plays for Chapman in the back. I think Mr. Wilson was proposing the Deme be retuned to her spot as 6-rotation OH2. But to Gobucky's point, someone needs to play DS for Ellen. Who?
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 26, 2014 10:40:25 GMT -5
This. She wasn't benched because she was short, it was because I can't name one skill she executes at an above-average level in the Big Ten Well, Bates did not take her place because of her outstanding play. Bates: .023 vs. Washington .077 vs Penn State Bates hits a hell of lot harder and will learn shots. She has a much higher ceiling. Like I said, neither will be playing soon.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 27, 2014 23:22:48 GMT -5
I do love Deme...her standing behind Dom at the net is one of the images that sticks with me most from last year. Also, while she didn't hit with great efficiency against Texas, Carlini still went to her for three of the critical last points. There was a sense that she would bounce back from those previous struggles when it mattered, and that faith was well placed. She hit pretty well, for her, against PSU in the final too.
Anyway, to gobucky's point. Bates DS's for Ellen if Deme is OH, so it comes down to the same question originally posed, and reposed, and then rereposed. Deme just didn't hit at all well in the preseason matches, while Bates made an impression, so it's Bates who got the OH role. There could be something to the wear and tear argument, but you'd think she would have shown that at the end of last year, and she seemed unaffected.
Funny thing is that Bates so far is not really performing substantially better than Deme did last season as a hitter, statistically speaking. She gets frustrated, and she doesn't quite have the range of shots that Deme had, not yet anyway. She has a lot of upside though, and is maybe a better blocker. Still, I feel she is holding a place for Kriskova at this point and getting some experience in the meantime.
When Kriskova comes back does Bates takes Deme's DS position? I dunno.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Sept 28, 2014 6:30:10 GMT -5
When Kriskova comes back does Bates takes Deme's DS position? I dunno. I vote no. At this point, Deme is better at serve receive, and a stronger passer in general, IMO. Bates is improving, but everybody targets her with their serve and it starts to wear her down, to the point that Sheff had them screen her out of serve receive for a while against PSU, putting Thomas back instead.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 28, 2014 9:41:35 GMT -5
That was my thought too. Deme also just has experience with dealing with pressure situations. If that's Sheff's thinking too, then Deme would have had to really be a lot better than Bates as OH to win that job. She's more valuable in the role she's playing.
I did not notice that they hid Bates in serve receive. Hard to see such things on television reliably. I don't remember thinking the badgers were in trouble with serve receive in that match. It's what came after that frustrated.
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 28, 2014 9:48:32 GMT -5
I like Bates' defending better, to be honest, but her passing has been so-so.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 12:35:31 GMT -5
Agreed, Bates is better on defense, but need to improve on pass though.
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Post by derry on Sept 28, 2014 13:52:53 GMT -5
Top RH's reach way higher than Deme's block and you have to ask if that's a constant disadvantage you want against PSU/USC/Stanford slide... If you are planning to beat the best.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 18:34:03 GMT -5
When Kriskova comes back does Bates takes Deme's DS position? I dunno. I vote no. At this point, Deme is better at serve receive, and a stronger passer in general, IMO. Deme isn't the better passer. It's probably her weakest skill, other than blocking, of course.
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Post by chisovnik on Sept 28, 2014 18:48:07 GMT -5
I vote no. At this point, Deme is better at serve receive, and a stronger passer in general, IMO. Deme isn't the better passer. It's probably her weakest skill, other than blocking, of course. Missed you!
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Post by rainbowbadger on Sept 28, 2014 19:45:25 GMT -5
I vote no. At this point, Deme is better at serve receive, and a stronger passer in general, IMO. Deme isn't the better passer. It's probably her weakest skill, other than blocking, of course. Well, Bates didn't play back row at all against tOSU today. Workman served and played back row for Bates. Deme played back row for Ellen, though Ellen served. So I think Sheffield would disagree with you. If Bates were the better passer right now, why wouldn't he leave her in 6 rotations?
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 28, 2014 19:51:31 GMT -5
Morales is the bette rpasser and receiver than Bates. I have seen her, in person in 40 + matches.
Do we need to mention Sheffield's now 311 career coaching wins??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 20:13:27 GMT -5
Deme isn't the better passer. It's probably her weakest skill, other than blocking, of course. Well, Bates didn't play back row at all against tOSU today. Workman served and played back row for Bates. Deme played back row for Ellen, though Ellen served. So I think Sheffield would disagree with you. If Bates were the better passer right now, why wouldn't he leave her in 6 rotations? You don't know why she was only playing front row. There are many reasons that change could've been made. She's been a six-rotation player all season up until that match. She was recruited because of her ability to control the ball. As a freshman, there is obviously a learning curve and she'll get better with time and reps, but Morales is not the better passer or defender. She just simply isn't.
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