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Post by preschooler on Oct 1, 2014 10:13:24 GMT -5
To the poster wondering about whether or not this would even be a division with middle school boys. It is.
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Post by pogoball on Oct 1, 2014 20:47:04 GMT -5
No, hitting the ball over on the first contact doesn't win even middle school championships. We don't have high level middle school volleyball, but the teams that win the championships still must control and hit the ball on a significant majority of plays. I will add, too, the schools that win middle school championships are the schools that usually have the highest participation, get the best athletes and have the highest skill level because the girls love to play on their teams. Not coincidentally, those schools feed the best high school programs. Get kids excited about the sport. Watch as those kids find all the local camps and club programs as an opportunity to play and get better because it's fun. Watch as those kids get other kids to play. Grow your program with enthusiasm. Middle school/tween girls are mostly motivated by their peers to participate. Make it fun and watch them come play. I'll be more clear with my sarcasm next time. Your original self-described sarcastic post implied that you think that those of us with successful middle school experience just want the players to do whatever is easy to win at the middle school level at a cost of teaching them things that will make them successful volleyball players later. My replying post pointed out how your post displayed an ignorance of what it takes to win at a middle school level (much like the original poster's misguided coach) and further what kind of success at a middle school level feeds into a successful high school program. In other words, sarcasm doesn't dismiss that you made a poor argument that I felt needed refuting. |
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Post by bayarea on Oct 1, 2014 23:15:36 GMT -5
I'm curious about what part of the country this middle school team is playing in. In my experience (California), the middle school volleyball team has about zero relevance for who goes on to succeed in high school. The middle school players who are really interested in volleyball, find club teams to play in from their 12's season onward, and they learn all the aspects of the game from their club coaches. The girls who only play middle school/junior high volleyball without playing club are never going to make any kind of impact on their high school teams, so it doesn't really matter what the middle school coach is teaching them, or if they go 0-20 on the season. What matter is if they are interested enough in the sport to pursue learning it at higher levels, in club volleyball.
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Post by bayarea on Oct 1, 2014 23:15:48 GMT -5
oops. posted duplicate.
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Post by jjmac13 on Oct 2, 2014 9:07:05 GMT -5
I completely disagree. Girls at that age don't all have the upper body strength to over hand serve let alone a coach who can teach them the proper technique without injury to themselves. I can agree with an 8th grade team requirement, but lower than that just makes it too frustrating and takes the fun out of the game. Just like a stupid high school coach who required everyone to jump serve. Lordy it was a long season. Standing float is so much more effective. Ego is too much apart of a lot of school coaches. Ruins a great sport for a lot of kids. Would it not take the same strength to generate enough speed to hit it underhand as overhand ? Ive seen 45lb 12 yr old serve overhand with out any problems....It's just hand eye coordination and making good contact !! |
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Post by cvbc14 on Oct 2, 2014 15:27:35 GMT -5
To the poster wondering about whether or not this would even be a division with middle school boys. It is. My point wasn't trying to be sport specific. If this was a boys baseball team or basketball team and the coach was demanding that the boys push themselves out of their comfort zone in order to get better, very few people would be questioning it. But since someone my be hurting the psyche of my little princess because she is struggling to get better, I'm going to the school board and get them fired! By all means, protect her from anything bad possibly happening to her. You're only strengthening the stereotype that girls are weak and can't accomplish anything on their own. I've told teams to set up nets and get the balls out before practice. They look at me and say "I don't know how", thinking that is enough and start to walk off to go talk to their friends, and expecting me to set up the net... I tell them that if the net isn't up in 5 minutes, we are going to all be running until it is up. They quickly figure out that if they're running, no one is setting up the net and 2 hours of sprints doesn't sound like a lot of fun. Shockingly they figure out how to put up the net pretty quickly. |
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Post by brickwall on Oct 2, 2014 23:21:25 GMT -5
Your original self-described sarcastic post implied that you think that those of us with successful middle school experience just want the players to do whatever is easy to win at the middle school level at a cost of teaching them things that will make them successful volleyball players later. My replying post pointed out how your post displayed an ignorance of what it takes to win at a middle school level (much like the original poster's misguided coach) and further what kind of success at a middle school level feeds into a successful high school program. In other words, sarcasm doesn't dismiss that you made a poor argument that I felt needed refuting. Middle schools don't make high schools successful. Clubs do. Congrats on getting to babysit them for a few hours each week though. Every varsity player in the country plays club ball? There are plenty of areas that don't have club ball. Successful programs, even. Crazy, huh? THAT requires dedication by the staff to create and build programs, starting with elementary students. Welcome to successful volleyball outside of major metropolitan areas. |
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Post by brickwall on Oct 2, 2014 23:47:57 GMT -5
prepvolleyball.com/2011/10/05/western-christian-win-is-true-to-farm/ This is what volleyball looks like in Iowa outside of the Des moines/Omaha area. It's high school and middle school coaches working together starting at age 10 to build volleyball, as volunteers. They are creating teams, teaching skills and creating success, for free. Running AAU teams out of the high school gym by grade, not age, to build school programs. The whole state of Iowa does this (the good programs, anyway) Western Christian is not alone, they are just one of the best. There is a lot of high level volleyball played, by girls who never passed a single ball with a "real" club volleyball team.
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Post by hennosy on Oct 3, 2014 6:46:52 GMT -5
"It's high school and middle school coaches working together starting at age 10 to build volleyball, as volunteers. "
+1,000 brickwall
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Post by hennosy on Oct 3, 2014 12:15:04 GMT -5
You have shown me one thing for sure ... there are a lot of clubs in Iowa.
It comes down to the chicken or the egg. High School coaches say clubs are good for kids to get extra touches ... but excel with high school coaching ... Club coaches say high schools are good for kids to get extra touches ... but excel with club coaching.
Who's right? No proof that either are.
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Post by alpacaone on Oct 3, 2014 13:37:48 GMT -5
I've reserved my opinion, because maybe I don't have a right here to one? First, going to the school board is wrong. If you decide to go up the chain of command, respect it, Call the AD first, they will talk to you. Tell them your opinion, but also listen to their's. Mine from a spectator who enjoys the game is that I would rather see dig, set, attack than serving, but living in an sd and conference with terrible volleyball, serving is about all it takes to win a banner for the gym wall. I agree with those who said they should make every serve practice about overhand, but the first rule of every coach I feel is to not put an athlete into a position where fallilure is likely, therefore, if someone can't serve overhand yet, let them enjoy themselves and the game by letting them compete the best way they can.
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Post by pogoball on Oct 5, 2014 14:57:46 GMT -5
Your original self-described sarcastic post implied that you think that those of us with successful middle school experience just want the players to do whatever is easy to win at the middle school level at a cost of teaching them things that will make them successful volleyball players later. My replying post pointed out how your post displayed an ignorance of what it takes to win at a middle school level (much like the original poster's misguided coach) and further what kind of success at a middle school level feeds into a successful high school program. In other words, sarcasm doesn't dismiss that you made a poor argument that I felt needed refuting. Middle schools don't make high schools successful. Clubs do. Congrats on getting to babysit them for a few hours each week though. Well, you first make comments on how the middle school (and younger) players should be coached, and now you claim that what is done isn't important. Which one is it? Are they important enough where you care about what they teach, or are they so inconsequential that it doesn't matter what is done? Please don't hurt your back with that logical twisting. I already know the answer, personally. I know my decades of high school and club championships were generally built on kids who had good positive middle school (and elementary) experiences and decided to play club because of it. I am thankful to those coaches who fostered such a love of the sport that the kids were motivated to play it more. |
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Post by bigfan on Oct 5, 2014 16:39:53 GMT -5
Middle schools don't make high schools successful. Clubs do. Congrats on getting to babysit them for a few hours each week though. You only coach for the money, the prestige and your own ego trip. |
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