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Post by Boof1224 on Sept 30, 2014 4:55:22 GMT -5
Psu has this beast comming in next year. With her and Washington on front line, there block is gonna be huge. Add in the signing of kendell white who last year was ranked as one of top frosh in nation playing for number one ranked high school in nation the talent just keeps comming. Kendell is listed a Libero with a lot of aces. Just keeps pouring in for psu. Exciting times
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 11:01:30 GMT -5
Tashima is the third best setter in the conference IMO. Second, if we exclude Micha's serving and attacking. She's going to do a lot for Northwestern. I should learn not to brag, but I believe Northwestern's setter, Tashima, has been the backup setter to Jordyn Poulter (who is a HS senior, but will join Illinois next season) on U.S. junior national teams. THAT is how good Poulter is without receiving a lot of buzz a la Carlini. Micha may have graduated, but it will be great fun to watch setters Carlini, Tashima, and Poulter compete against one another in the B1G next season. They'll be the three best in the country.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 11:10:39 GMT -5
I wasn't questioning u but Pelcj. Seems people wanna pick the stat or area that looks better for players they like instead of whole package She's not the "whole package." She's an exceptional server and attacker, a good blocker, a good defender, and an average setter (in terms of actually setting the ball), especially out of system. She communicates and leads well, and knows how to win. Overall, when you consider the position as a whole (because it isn't just setting the ball), I think she's great. But I don't think she's the best, or the best player. She's benefited from a very, very talented cast of attackers and ball-handlers over her career. Very talented kid, wins a lot, possesses the greatest weapon in the game and has the control and consistency to use that weapon in big moments. I just prefer setters like Carlini, Tashima, Minarick, Bugg, and Dannemiller more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 11:12:26 GMT -5
I think Micha has a good a chance as anyone to play for the National team, if that's what she wants. She goes all out, every time, every game. LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 11:14:18 GMT -5
Micha is not perfect. But a lot of us are defending her because some knuckleheads have all but declared that she is nothing more than a great server playing setter. We are just saying that she is a bonafide of a setter as there are any out there and a pretty good one too, especially when she has outshined/outplayed/outset the other so called great setters. Yes, I will agree that this horse has been beaten to death. But for some reason, no credit is given to her by some naysayer(s) no matter what. It's hard to go to far into this debate cause it's goes around in circles till your blue in the face. The carlini fanatics are never gonna let it go. That's fine we all have our own opinions. Facts are 1) Hancock has national championship and tourney MVP and was up for espy 2) Hancock went head to head against bugg and was better at her position. 3. Hancock went head to head against the next messiah carlini and took her to school 4) Hancock has one of top two serves in nation and there' isn't another setter on top of that list 5 ( Hancock is 2-1 against bugg and 4-0 against carlini. How many more do I have to list ? How about anything that actually matters or proves something? An intelligent argument?
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Post by volleyguy on Sept 30, 2014 11:35:27 GMT -5
It's hard to go to far into this debate cause it's goes around in circles till your blue in the face. The carlini fanatics are never gonna let it go. That's fine we all have our own opinions. Facts are 1) Hancock has national championship and tourney MVP and was up for espy 2) Hancock went head to head against bugg and was better at her position. 3. Hancock went head to head against the next messiah carlini and took her to school 4) Hancock has one of top two serves in nation and there' isn't another setter on top of that list 5 ( Hancock is 2-1 against bugg and 4-0 against carlini. How many more do I have to list ? How about anything that actually matters or proves something? An intelligent argument? I'd take Hancock over Courtney Thompson, which by definition apparently, would make Micha national team material. I don't see Micha playing a serious role on the national team, but she's certainly good enough and accomplished enough to play professionally somewhere if she chooses to pursue that possibility.
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Post by Boof1224 on Sept 30, 2014 11:55:20 GMT -5
I wasn't questioning u but Pelcj. Seems people wanna pick the stat or area that looks better for players they like instead of whole package She's not the "whole package." She's an exceptional server and attacker, a good blocker, and an average setter. She communicates and leads well, and knows how to win. Overall, I think she's a great setter. But I don't think she's the best, or the best player. She's benefited from a very, very talented cast of attackers and ball-handlers over her career. Very talented kid, wins a lot, possesses the greatest weapon in the game and has the control and consistency to use that weapon in big moments. I just prefer setters like Carlini, Tashima, Minarick, Bugg, and Dannemiller more. It's fine u can rave about all these other setters and I'll just watch Hancock win another championship. I'm fine with that.
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Post by kabvb on Sept 30, 2014 13:10:13 GMT -5
She's not the "whole package." She's an exceptional server and attacker, a good blocker, and an average setter. She communicates and leads well, and knows how to win. Overall, I think she's a great setter. But I don't think she's the best, or the best player. She's benefited from a very, very talented cast of attackers and ball-handlers over her career. Very talented kid, wins a lot, possesses the greatest weapon in the game and has the control and consistency to use that weapon in big moments. I just prefer setters like Carlini, Tashima, Minarick, Bugg, and Dannemiller more. It's fine u can rave about all these other setters and I'll just watch Hancock win another championship. I'm fine with that. I think this a case of not knowing or ever playing,maybe a little jealousy too.Micha is hands down the best setter AND whole package in the league.
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on Sept 30, 2014 13:43:38 GMT -5
It's hard to go to far into this debate cause it's goes around in circles till your blue in the face. The carlini fanatics are never gonna let it go. That's fine we all have our own opinions. Facts are 1) Hancock has national championship and tourney MVP and was up for espy 2) Hancock went head to head against bugg and was better at her position. 3. Hancock went head to head against the next messiah carlini and took her to school 4) Hancock has one of top two serves in nation and there' isn't another setter on top of that list 5 ( Hancock is 2-1 against bugg and 4-0 against carlini. How many more do I have to list ? How about anything that actually matters or proves something? An intelligent argument? I'll give it a shot. I'm a huge Micha fan, and I think she's the best setter in the nation (not taking into account serving, etc.). At least for me, the distinction is the way that she contacts the ball. The quicker release and compact setting motion makes it possible for her to really run any height of ball to any hitter, in addition to being able to force middles in transition more. I think this argument comes down to preference of style of volleyball when assessing Micha vs. Carlini vs. whoever. I personally like the way the ball comes out of her hands for the deceptiveness, consistency (of the release and trajectory, not necessarily the placement), and versatility (any hitter, any height, any pace). Plus, shes a true winner.
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on Sept 30, 2014 13:48:27 GMT -5
Also, the largest difference (among many, we don't have to argue about the numerous ones) between men's and women's volleyball is that the offense in the men's game is way too good. Watch the best men's setters in the world and then look at the women's NCAA game. The closest (without question, in my mind) to being able to replicate that offensive style is Micha and her Penn State offense. Also not surprising then, they have the best team in the country and best program in the country.
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 30, 2014 16:32:29 GMT -5
Micha is not perfect. But a lot of us are defending her because some knuckleheads have all but declared that she is nothing more than a great server playing setter. We are just saying that she is a bonafide of a setter as there are any out there and a pretty good one too, especially when she has outshined/outplayed/outset the other so called great setters. Yes, I will agree that this horse has been beaten to death. But for some reason, no credit is given to her by some naysayer(s) no matter what. It's hard to go to far into this debate cause it's goes around in circles till your blue in the face. The carlini fanatics are never gonna let it go. That's fine we all have our own opinions. Facts are 1) Hancock has national championship and tourney MVP and was up for espy 2) Hancock went head to head against bugg and was better at her position. 3. Hancock went head to head against the next messiah carlini and took her to school 4) Hancock has one of top two serves in nation and there' isn't another setter on top of that list 5 ( Hancock is 2-1 against bugg and 4-0 against carlini. How many more do I have to list ? Another pointless post from boof.
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Post by gnu2vball on Sept 30, 2014 16:39:47 GMT -5
I like Boof. He speaks for the super PSU fan in me. He says things I hope, but am afraid to say. I can imagine he gets to be a bit much for those who chose to support other teams.
It's nice that there's a BLOG like Volleytalk, where we can all express our innermost selves, and know that the other participants have equally valid viewpoints.
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 30, 2014 16:51:46 GMT -5
I like Boof. He speaks for the super PSU fan in me. He says things I hope, but am afraid to say. I can imagine he gets to be a bit much for those who chose to support other teams. It's nice that there's a BLOG like Volleytalk, where we can all express our innermost selves, and know that the other participants have equally valid viewpoints. It's not that I don't like PSU, I don't think he supported his arguments with anything but circumstantial evidence given this is a team sport. It's like saying Yount is better than Ripken because the Brewer's owned the head-to-head over the Orioles and Yount has two MVPs. It's ridiculous to assert those facts as reasons for Yount's superiority (although he was) and similarly, it is wrong to assert Micha's superiority as a setter given those facts. If he were to talk about her skills in detail, I'd be okay. I think Micha is better than Carlini with regard to attacking and serving. She is not going to make the National Team as a result of those two skills and is not better than Carlini otherwise. Just not a well-crafted argument.
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Post by gnu2vball on Sept 30, 2014 17:10:24 GMT -5
I understand. I kinda like the unfettered spontaneity. Maybe it's an acquired taste, or a passing fancy?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 17:31:02 GMT -5
How about anything that actually matters or proves something? An intelligent argument? I'd take Hancock over Courtney Thompson, which by definition apparently, would make Micha national team material. I don't see Micha playing a serious role on the national team, but she's certainly good enough and accomplished enough to play professionally somewhere if she chooses to pursue that possibility. I think obviously has the ability to play professionally if she wants to. I do not, however, think she could play for Team USA as a setter.
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