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Post by silversurfer on Sept 30, 2014 9:43:47 GMT -5
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 30, 2014 10:09:35 GMT -5
No, early October is usually the first official
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 30, 2014 10:41:32 GMT -5
No, early October is usually the first official "Early October" is tomorrow. |
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Post by bigdaddyw on Sept 30, 2014 11:39:12 GMT -5
October 6th
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 30, 2014 12:39:48 GMT -5
I really don't understand why any halfway serious fan, like those reading here, gives the slightest jizzy about the NCAA releasing RPI. If you want to know a team's current RPI, you can get a pretty good idea by looking at the RPI estimators available, including good old RKPI. We all have RichKern.com subscriptions, right?
No, they don't agree perfectly with the NCAA version, but then again, it doesn't matter since it is only a broad snapshot of the current state, and the final RPI is going to be different than this, anyway. It's like the scene in Revenge of the Nerds when Lewis asks his dad how fast they are going because he wants to calculate their "exact ETA." It's a joke, because an estimate, by definition, is not exact. What you want to know right know is about where is your team, or who are the top 20 or so, and you can get that just as well from RKPI. Right now, Purdue has an RKPI rank of 56. That's all I need to know. It doesn't matter whether the NCAA has it at 56, or 50, or 60, which is about the range it is going to be, that doesn't tell us anything because it is going to change before the end of the season, anyway (it darn well better, Dave). Similarly, setting up seeds based on the top 16 now is something people always do when RPI comes out, but why does it matter whether that is based on RPI or RKPI? We all know that is going to change during the season anyway, so, once again, it is getting all worked up creating a scenario you know won't exist. And given the estimate, there is no reason to think that the current RPI is going to be closer to the final rankings than the current RKPI.
The only ones who have any interest in NCAA RPI, it seems to me, are SIDs who use it for promotional purposes. And if that is the objective, then yeah, saying it is the NCAA RPI rank matters. But if you just want to know rankings, the RPI released by the NCAA doesn't tell us anything we don't already know from other sources.
The value of the RPI mid-season is that it lets us estimate where the teams will end up. The NCAA version of RPI doesn't make that estimate exact any more than knowing Lewis's dad has the cruise control set at 45.
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Post by silversurfer on Sept 30, 2014 12:54:55 GMT -5
I really don't understand why any halfway serious fan, like those reading here, gives the slightest jizzy about the NCAA releasing RPI. If you want to know a team's current RPI, you can get a pretty good idea by looking at the RPI estimators available, including good old RKPI. We all have RichKern.com subscriptions, right? No, they don't agree perfectly with the NCAA version, but then again, it doesn't matter since it is only a broad snapshot of the current state, and the final RPI is going to be different than this, anyway. It's like the scene in Revenge of the Nerds when Lewis asks his dad how fast they are going because he wants to calculate their "exact ETA." It's a joke, because an estimate, by definition, is not exact. What you want to know right know is about where is your team, or who are the top 20 or so, and you can get that just as well from RKPI. Right now, Purdue has an RKPI rank of 56. That's all I need to know. It doesn't matter whether the NCAA has it at 56, or 50, or 60, which is about the range it is going to be, that doesn't tell us anything because it is going to change before the end of the season, anyway (it darn well better, Dave). Similarly, setting up seeds based on the top 16 now is something people always do when RPI comes out, but why does it matter whether that is based on RPI or RKPI? We all know that is going to change during the season anyway, so, once again, it is getting all worked up creating a scenario you know won't exist. And given the estimate, there is no reason to think that the current RPI is going to be closer to the final rankings than the current RKPI. The only ones who have any interest in NCAA RPI, it seems to me, are SIDs who use it for promotional purposes. And if that is the objective, then yeah, saying it is the NCAA RPI rank matters. But if you just want to know rankings, the RPI released by the NCAA doesn't tell us anything we don't already know from other sources. The value of the RPI mid-season is that it lets us estimate where the teams will end up. The NCAA version of RPI doesn't make that estimate exact any more than knowing Lewis's dad has the cruise control set at 45. Wow. I'm also interested in mystery novels. You wanna crap all over that, too? |
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 30, 2014 12:57:25 GMT -5
I really don't understand why any halfway serious fan, like those reading here, gives the slightest jizzy about the NCAA releasing RPI. If you want to know a team's current RPI, you can get a pretty good idea by looking at the RPI estimators available, including good old RKPI. We all have RichKern.com subscriptions, right? No, they don't agree perfectly with the NCAA version, but then again, it doesn't matter since it is only a broad snapshot of the current state, and the final RPI is going to be different than this, anyway. It's like the scene in Revenge of the Nerds when Lewis asks his dad how fast they are going because he wants to calculate their "exact ETA." It's a joke, because an estimate, by definition, is not exact. What you want to know right know is about where is your team, or who are the top 20 or so, and you can get that just as well from RKPI. Right now, Purdue has an RKPI rank of 56. That's all I need to know. It doesn't matter whether the NCAA has it at 56, or 50, or 60, which is about the range it is going to be, that doesn't tell us anything because it is going to change before the end of the season, anyway (it darn well better, Dave). Similarly, setting up seeds based on the top 16 now is something people always do when RPI comes out, but why does it matter whether that is based on RPI or RKPI? We all know that is going to change during the season anyway, so, once again, it is getting all worked up creating a scenario you know won't exist. And given the estimate, there is no reason to think that the current RPI is going to be closer to the final rankings than the current RKPI. The only ones who have any interest in NCAA RPI, it seems to me, are SIDs who use it for promotional purposes. And if that is the objective, then yeah, saying it is the NCAA RPI rank matters. But if you just want to know rankings, the RPI released by the NCAA doesn't tell us anything we don't already know from other sources. The value of the RPI mid-season is that it lets us estimate where the teams will end up. The NCAA version of RPI doesn't make that estimate exact any more than knowing Lewis's dad has the cruise control set at 45. Wow. I'm also interested in mystery novels. You wanna crap all over that, too? I never said don't be interested in RPI. I said it makes no sense to fixated on the "official NCAA RPI" when we already have perfectly good approximations from other source. The NCAA version is not a more exact estimate. |
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Post by spikerthemovie on Sept 30, 2014 13:09:54 GMT -5
... except, no, we do not all have Rich Kern subscriptions.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 30, 2014 13:13:04 GMT -5
... except, no, we do not all have Rich Kern subscriptions. 1) Shame on you 2) I know there are other RPI-estimators out there, even for volleyball that will suffice (I saw a reference recently) |
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 30, 2014 13:33:43 GMT -5
... except, no, we do not all have Rich Kern subscriptions. I would not buy a Rich Kern subscription to get RKPI. However, I did decide a few years ago that it was worth the subscription price to get pablo ratings. |
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Post by originalsin on Sept 30, 2014 13:44:35 GMT -5
Another is the Massey Rating system.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 30, 2014 13:45:44 GMT -5
... except, no, we do not all have Rich Kern subscriptions. I would not buy a Rich Kern subscription to get RKPI. However, I did decide a few years ago that it was worth the subscription price to get pablo ratings. i have one. i didn't get it just for one thing. really, it's a one-stop shop and that was the appeal!  |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 30, 2014 13:47:37 GMT -5
I really don't understand why any halfway serious fan, like those reading here, gives the slightest jizzy about the NCAA releasing RPI. If you want to know a team's current RPI, you can get a pretty good idea by looking at the RPI estimators available, including good old RKPI. We all have RichKern.com subscriptions, right? No, they don't agree perfectly with the NCAA version, but then again, it doesn't matter since it is only a broad snapshot of the current state, and the final RPI is going to be different than this, anyway. It's like the scene in Revenge of the Nerds when Lewis asks his dad how fast they are going because he wants to calculate their "exact ETA." It's a joke, because an estimate, by definition, is not exact. What you want to know right know is about where is your team, or who are the top 20 or so, and you can get that just as well from RKPI. Right now, Purdue has an RKPI rank of 56. That's all I need to know. It doesn't matter whether the NCAA has it at 56, or 50, or 60, which is about the range it is going to be, that doesn't tell us anything because it is going to change before the end of the season, anyway (it darn well better, Dave). Similarly, setting up seeds based on the top 16 now is something people always do when RPI comes out, but why does it matter whether that is based on RPI or RKPI? We all know that is going to change during the season anyway, so, once again, it is getting all worked up creating a scenario you know won't exist. And given the estimate, there is no reason to think that the current RPI is going to be closer to the final rankings than the current RKPI. The only ones who have any interest in NCAA RPI, it seems to me, are SIDs who use it for promotional purposes. And if that is the objective, then yeah, saying it is the NCAA RPI rank matters. But if you just want to know rankings, the RPI released by the NCAA doesn't tell us anything we don't already know from other sources. The value of the RPI mid-season is that it lets us estimate where the teams will end up. The NCAA version of RPI doesn't make that estimate exact any more than knowing Lewis's dad has the cruise control set at 45. you're absolutely right ... VT, in may ways, is like revenge of the nerds. (loved the reference! ... lol) |
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Sept 30, 2014 13:56:00 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 30, 2014 14:06:42 GMT -5
I know a few people on the board like those Massey ratings, but they are utterly unconvincing to me. They don't seem to have either the volleyball-specific theoretical basis or the volleyball-specific experimental confirmation that pablo has.
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