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Post by ay2013 on Oct 20, 2014 20:57:56 GMT -5
Amazing Lowe's getting subbed out in games and still has 34% more kps than Vansant. Cue: UW balanced offense defense from mike etc. I'll be the first to say that I think Lowe is more terminal, overall. I think some of that is her position, being on the RS as a lefty against a traditionally weaker block than the, but a lot of that was the difference in preseason contribution, which doesn't impact conference awards. Pac-12 play shows closer offensive contributions between the two. |
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Post by chipNdink on Oct 20, 2014 21:51:19 GMT -5
Amazing Lowe's getting subbed out in games and still has 34% more kps than Vansant. Cue: UW balanced offense defense from mike etc. I'll be the first to say that I think Lowe is more terminal, overall. I think some of that is her position, being on the RS as a lefty against a traditionally weaker block than the, but a lot of that was the difference in preseason contribution, which doesn't impact conference awards. Pac-12 play shows closer offensive contributions between the two. Umm, it's the LS that hits against a traditionally weaker block (the setter). |
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 20, 2014 22:25:14 GMT -5
That's not how AVCA NPOY works. Look at the list of winners from the past decade+ and you will see that almost always the NPOY comes from one of the Final Four teams. If UCLA and Washington both advance deeply into the tournament, then we can start talking about this. That being said, I think Vansant is way ahead of Lowe in terms of potential for NPOY if both teams advance that far. Maybe it would be different if there were an Offensive NPOY, but in terms of overall complete play I think the comparison is (right now anyway) rather definitely in favor of Krista over Karsta. As far as conference POY goes, I think we are looking at several factors: 1) Final placement of the teams (maybe it shouldn't matter, but it does, likely to favor Vansant) 2) Play in non-hitting facets of the game (favors Vansant) 3) Hitting stat numbers (favors Lowe) 4) Confirmation bias (favors former FOY, former POY, former NPOY Vansant) My pick would be for Lowe. OK, but who do you think the conference will pick? |
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Post by Word on Oct 20, 2014 22:51:56 GMT -5
Saying Vansant's blocking numbers are actually better because she would be blocking less balls as an OH is not fair to Lowe. Then we should say the digs are a wash too because Lowe plays right back which sees the fewest amount of dig opportunities.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 20, 2014 23:21:23 GMT -5
Saying Vansant's blocking numbers are actually better because she would be blocking less balls as an OH is not fair to Lowe. Then we should say the digs are a wash too because Lowe plays right back which sees the fewest amount of dig opportunities. Well first of all Vansant's blocking numbers ARE actually better, the stats actually show this. what I am saying is that this stat is even more in Vansant's favor because she get less opportunity to get blocks blocking the RS than Lowe does on the LS. IMO the same holds true for digs. Vansant gets more opportunities to Dig balls playing middle than Lowe does playing right, but Vansant being a primary passer while Lowe does not pass cannot be reconciled. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 20, 2014 23:28:26 GMT -5
So ... leaving aside hitting, is there anybody here who thinks Lowe is better than Vansant at anything in volleyball other than hitting?
That's question 1.
Now, question 2. If you do think Lowe is better at hitting (and I'm not sure it's true, but I admit it could be), do you think she's enough better that she should win conference POY over Vansant? Not "hitter of the year" but "player of the year".
And finally, question 3: Even if you think she should win, do you think she will? Or do you think Vansant will repeat? Or even, do you think there is a third candidate who will win instead of either of them?
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Post by alwayslearning on Oct 20, 2014 23:31:47 GMT -5
Saying Vansant's blocking numbers are actually better because she would be blocking less balls as an OH is not fair to Lowe. Then we should say the digs are a wash too because Lowe plays right back which sees the fewest amount of dig opportunities. Well first of all Vansant's blocking numbers ARE actually better, the stats actually show this. what I am saying is that this stat is even more in Vansant's favor because she get less opportunity to get blocks blocking the RS than Lowe does on the LS. IMO the same holds true for digs. Vansant gets more opportunities to Dig balls playing middle than Lowe does playing right, but Vansant being a primary passer while Lowe does not pass cannot be reconciled. I have to agree with ay on this: passing the ball is such a critical function for a team (and Vansant does it very well) that it cannot be overlooked and, in the end, is probably decisive. But there's still a good chunk of the season to go, so let's see how things play out. |
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Post by blastingsand on Oct 21, 2014 0:11:10 GMT -5
Oh no. People challenged the greatness of a UW player and shall feel the wrath of their volleytalk fans.
Haha, in all seriousness, Vansant will win P12 POY, and the NPOY if she makes the FF. Unless UCLA makes an epic run to the the FF with Lowe having 30+ kills every match, while UW somehow loses early.
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Post by trojansc on Oct 21, 2014 0:21:19 GMT -5
I'll be the first to say that I think Lowe is more terminal, overall. I think some of that is her position, being on the RS as a lefty against a traditionally weaker block than the, but a lot of that was the difference in preseason contribution, which doesn't impact conference awards. Pac-12 play shows closer offensive contributions between the two. Umm, it's the LS that hits against a traditionally weaker block (the setter). It all depends on the circumstances. If you have a tall setter and tall opposite, the OH's are going to have a long night.. I find that middles usually block better against the outside hitter than the rightside (and personally I feel this way). The right-side can often find a seam and goes up 1on1 more than the left-side hitters... If the pin blocker is drifted in, the rightside can realllly have alot more offensive options and ways to work around the block. Even if you have a short setter but a 6'4 opposite - it might only be a weaker block for one outside hitter that goes against the settter. |
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 21, 2014 1:10:07 GMT -5
My pick would be for Lowe. OK, but who do you think the conference will pick? Honestly I don't have a good feel for the conference POY. But nationally, as another poster(s) mentioned, going deep in the playoffs is important. It would be possible to win the NPOY without reaching the final four, but unlikely. However, if by some miracle UCLA reached the final four, I'd favor Lowe for NPOY. |
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 21, 2014 2:57:52 GMT -5
If I was going by OVERALL play, I would take Vansant. BUT, if my team needed a terminal hitter that could score points, I would take LOWE. She has made the greatest development. She was a walk on and developed into one of the best players in the country
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Post by GoUCLA on Oct 21, 2014 7:13:36 GMT -5
Could they just be Co-Pac 12 POY?
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 21, 2014 8:43:23 GMT -5
Could they just be Co-Pac 12 POY? I think it's been done before, but not often. This would not be the first time at all that several players worthy of discussion of national player of the year were pitted against each other for PAC POY, so almost every year there are very worthy players who end up not being named PAC POY. Actually, it has never been done that the PAC selected co-POY. See my later post. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 21, 2014 9:28:46 GMT -5
There's just something about 6 kills per set.
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Post by BeiBei on Oct 21, 2014 9:29:59 GMT -5
Could they just be Co-Pac 12 POY? I think it's been done before, but not often. This would not be the first time at all that several players worthy of discussion of national player of the year were pitted against each other for PAC POY, so almost every year there are very worthy players who end up not being named PAC POY. Cant argue with the selection for the past years. The only surprise for me is Morrison in 2006. Cathy Nelson wrote a weekly pac 10 volleyball release and she listed Thompson, Barboza, Meriwether and maybe Kaczor as the front runners for conference POY without mentioning Morrison |
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