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Post by volleyballer4life on Oct 21, 2014 11:41:27 GMT -5
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Post by baywatcher on Oct 21, 2014 11:44:09 GMT -5
Mine did. Quit volleyball.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 21, 2014 11:44:29 GMT -5
But VB players always seem to stand near the bench rather than sitting on it.
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Post by Wiswell on Oct 21, 2014 12:09:15 GMT -5
This is emblematic of the Millenial generation, not just sports superstars. They enter the workforce, and think they know everything already.
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 21, 2014 12:19:40 GMT -5
This is emblematic of the Millenial generation, not just sports superstars. They enter the workforce, and think they know everything already. Come on. If Mark Zuckerberg can do it, then surely anyone can.
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Post by alpacaone on Oct 21, 2014 12:24:12 GMT -5
One of my favorite rhetorical statements is "I've been doing this for "x" many years and you've been doing it for "x" many months, maybe we should do it your way?" not to say we shouldn't listen.
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Post by showmevb on Oct 21, 2014 12:31:30 GMT -5
Mine did not until after she was the #10 recruit in the country for her class and went off to college. She has sat on the bench (stood next to it that is)for most of three years now and the writing is on the wall for a fourth.
Always answers the call when needed for brief stints and has found ways to contribute ie, serving, etc.
For dad, it was one of the most difficult things I've experienced...and I will always struggle with the "what if she had gone anywhere else" and I do mean "anywhere". But for my daughter, I am positive that it (along with a lot of patience she has been shown while adjusting) will be far more valuable in serving her for the rest of her life than going right in and continuing to be the superstar would have been.
This life lesson hasn't been easy, but it has been valuable. And a free education at a prominent university is nothing to be ashamed of. It is, afterall, why she is there...the education. She has proven that to me over the years of what at times had to be overwhelming disappointment. She has never faltered in her desire to stay right where she is for all the right reasons. Me....well different story...took me longer to come around.
All one should want for their child is what is best for them...even if the path is not exactly what we would have chosen. I trust my daughter when she says she is happy and right where she wants to be. The life-long lessons will help her deal with emotion, problem solve, and cope when things don't go as planned. What more could a dad ask from a university and its coaching staff and teammates.
So, yes the bench can be a long-term positive IF one can survive the immediate negative that comes with it. Particulary when you understand that you are right where you deserve to be in the talent pool in which you swim. Just keep the head high, watch the body language when the chips are down because volley talkers will call you out on it, and BE READY when you are needed.
Two cents, for what it's worth.
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Post by austintatious on Oct 21, 2014 12:35:26 GMT -5
Mine did not until after she was the #10 recruit in the country for her class and went off to college. She has sat on the bench (stood next to it that is)for most of three years now and the writing is on the wall for a fourth. Always answers the call when needed for brief stints and has found ways to contribute ie, serving, etc. For dad, it was one of the most difficult things I've experienced...and I will always struggle with the "what if she had gone anywhere else" and I do mean "anywhere". But for my daughter, I am positive that it (along with a lot of patience she has been shown while adjusting) will be far more valuable in serving her for the rest of her life than going right in and continuing to be the superstar would have been. This life lesson hasn't been easy, but it has been valuable. And a free education at a prominent university is nothing to be ashamed of. It is, afterall, why she is there...the education. She has proven that to me over the years of what at times had to be overwhelming disappointment. She has never faltered in her desire to stay right where she is for all the right reasons. Me....well different story...took me longer to come around. All one should want for their child is what is best for them...even if the path is not exactly what we would have chosen. I trust my daughter when she says she is happy and right were she wants to be. The life-long lessons will help her deal with emotion, problem solve, and cope when things don't go as planned. What more could a dad ask from a university and its coaching staff and teammates. So, yes the bench can be a long-term positive IF one can survive the immediate negative that comes with it. Particulary when you understand that you are right where you deserve to be in the talent pool in which you swim. Just keep the head high, watch the body language when the chips are down because volley talkers will call you out on it, BE READY when you are needed. Two cents, for what it's worth. You raised a great kid. Congrats.
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Post by vbgirls2 on Oct 21, 2014 12:47:10 GMT -5
nice article, even better response showmevb
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Post by rockhopper on Oct 21, 2014 12:52:34 GMT -5
Mine has spent some time on the bench and it made her better. Better person. Better player. Better teammate. Better decision maker.
And, like showmevb, I struggled with it more than she did.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Oct 21, 2014 13:08:23 GMT -5
Mine did not until after she was the #10 recruit in the country for her class and went off to college. She has sat on the bench (stood next to it that is)for most of three years now and the writing is on the wall for a fourth. Always answers the call when needed for brief stints and has found ways to contribute ie, serving, etc. For dad, it was one of the most difficult things I've experienced...and I will always struggle with the "what if she had gone anywhere else" and I do mean "anywhere". But for my daughter, I am positive that it (along with a lot of patience she has been shown while adjusting) will be far more valuable in serving her for the rest of her life than going right in and continuing to be the superstar would have been. This life lesson hasn't been easy, but it has been valuable. And a free education at a prominent university is nothing to be ashamed of. It is, afterall, why she is there...the education. She has proven that to me over the years of what at times had to be overwhelming disappointment. She has never faltered in her desire to stay right where she is for all the right reasons. Me....well different story...took me longer to come around. All one should want for their child is what is best for them...even if the path is not exactly what we would have chosen. I trust my daughter when she says she is happy and right were she wants to be. The life-long lessons will help her deal with emotion, problem solve, and cope when things don't go as planned. What more could a dad ask from a university and its coaching staff and teammates. So, yes the bench can be a long-term positive IF one can survive the immediate negative that comes with it. Particulary when you understand that you are right where you deserve to be in the talent pool in which you swim. Just keep the head high, watch the body language when the chips are down because volley talkers will call you out on it, BE READY when you are needed. Two cents, for what it's worth. Sounds like she has her priorities in order, which is great. She's not getting a ton of playing time, but she's receiving an education at one of the most prestigious schools in the country - the neighborhood, campus, and weather don't exactly suck, either - and playing for one of the elite volleyball programs out there. The experiences, education, relationships, and networking she's getting out of this will serve her very well in the big picture, and at the end of the day are far more important than whether she's starting or not.
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Post by volleyball20102011 on Oct 21, 2014 13:25:44 GMT -5
I think sitting at some point in ones career is good (if they always sit they will probably quit).
I was the star on my high school team. Got started into club late. Started out sitting the entire first half of my first year of club (17s). It was an expensive travel club and it was difficult to pay a lot and not play. I worked harder and earned playing time as the year went on. Worked myself into the lineup at nationals as well.
I went on to play in college and had a solid d3 career (over 1,000 kills, all-conference, ect). I'm now a head d3 coach. I would have never of gotten to where I am today without the experience of having the ride the pine and put more work in. It was tough but worth it.
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Post by bayarea on Oct 21, 2014 13:39:15 GMT -5
That's a very interesting perspective, going from fighting to get off the bench to being a head coach. I have always thought that the most gifted athletes do not generally make great coaches, because being good came naturally to them, and they didn't put a lot of mental effort into figuring out how to do something better. The players who rode the bench, took more lessons, studied the game, understood the mechanics in order to get better, and were really persistent in their fight to get better, generally end up being able to show and talk other players into doing the same.
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Post by Phaedrus on Oct 21, 2014 13:53:00 GMT -5
That's a very interesting perspective, going from fighting to get off the bench to being a head coach. I have always thought that the most gifted athletes do not generally make great coaches, because being good came naturally to them, and they didn't put a lot of mental effort into figuring out how to do something better. The players who rode the bench, took more lessons, studied the game, understood the mechanics in order to get better, and were really persistent in their fight to get better, generally end up being able to show and talk other players into doing the same. There has always been a belief that the best coaches comes from the bench. In baseball, it has been the bullpen catcher or the utility infielder because they spend their time in the dugouts learning and thinking the game. In Basketball, MJ has steadfastly refused to coach a team because he couldn't parlay what was intuitive to him to others. Larry Bird quit coaching as soon as he was able. Magic Johnson was an abysmal head coach. Phil Jackson was a bench guy. Eric Spoelstra was a video guy. Pop was a high school coach. In football, Belichick was a coach's son, someone who sat the bench a lot, observing. Marc Trestman couldn't stick at University of Minnesota nor with the Vikings.
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Post by volleyballer4life on Oct 21, 2014 13:57:51 GMT -5
That's a very interesting perspective, going from fighting to get off the bench to being a head coach. I have always thought that the most gifted athletes do not generally make great coaches, because being good came naturally to them, and they didn't put a lot of mental effort into figuring out how to do something better. The players who rode the bench, took more lessons, studied the game, understood the mechanics in order to get better, and were really persistent in their fight to get better, generally end up being able to show and talk other players into doing the same. I see where you're coming from - I think it can be categorized more simply than "all-star vs. reserve" - Playing time aside, how does the athlete respond to adversity? As a player/coach myself, I have found the kids that end up sticking with the sport and having the most FUN are the ones that don't focus solely on winning/losing and playtime/sidelines. You want them to compete to win, and you want them to want to play - but they also need to know that it's not all about those things: * They need to know that winning doesn't always mean you played well and losing doesn't always mean you played poorly. * They need to know that not being in the game isn't THE COACH BENCHING THEM, it's the coach giving opportunities to others. * They need to know that sometimes, they won't get what they want even if they've done everything right, and that the appropriate response is to keep grinding away. * They need to know that there are many other players/teams that have the same goals that they do, and achieving those goals must be earned, not given. I look at baywatcher's response as well as showmevb's - To me, showmevb's child has a love for the sport that transcends playing time, and baywatcher's did not. If you read my blog, baywatcher's child is to volleyball as I was to math - it wasn't something that we wanted to go above and beyond in order to get the desired results. And that's completely OK - I was able to find something that did create that fire for me (volleyball), and I'm hopeful that baywatcher's child was able to find their passion as well. I coach my kids to learn how to work hard / embrace the challenges that they will face, hoping that they will take those lessons off the court with them as many of them won't play past high school by choice. I try to explain to parents all the time: Your child may have all the talent in the world, but if they don't enjoy the grind/sacrifice/adversity, they will not last in the sport. Meanwhile, I've seen kids that have no natural touch to the ball, yet they keep coming back for more because they love it. It may take years, but they will catch up to the majority of their peers and be able to participate at a competitive level. As Lou Holtz said, "Whatever you do, do it to the best of your ability - otherwise you're wasting your time."
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