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Post by volleyballer4life on Oct 21, 2014 13:59:01 GMT -5
That's a very interesting perspective, going from fighting to get off the bench to being a head coach. I have always thought that the most gifted athletes do not generally make great coaches, because being good came naturally to them, and they didn't put a lot of mental effort into figuring out how to do something better. The players who rode the bench, took more lessons, studied the game, understood the mechanics in order to get better, and were really persistent in their fight to get better, generally end up being able to show and talk other players into doing the same. There has always been a belief that the best coaches comes from the bench. In baseball, it has been the bullpen catcher or the utility infielder because they spend their time in the dugouts learning and thinking the game. In Basketball, MJ has steadfastly refused to coach a team because he couldn't parlay what was intuitive to him to others. Larry Bird quit coaching as soon as he was able. Magic Johnson was an abysmal head coach. Phil Jackson was a bench guy. Eric Spoelstra was a video guy. Pop was a high school coach. In football, Belichick was a coach's son, someone who sat the bench a lot, observing. Marc Trestman couldn't stick at University of Minnesota nor with the Vikings. What about Karch? I think talented players can be good coaches - they just have to have the work ethic/love for the grind to match it.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 21, 2014 14:12:13 GMT -5
Mine did not until after she was the #10 recruit in the country for her class and went off to college. She has sat on the bench (stood next to it that is)for most of three years now and the writing is on the wall for a fourth. Always answers the call when needed for brief stints and has found ways to contribute ie, serving, etc. Okay, just enough hints to figure out the player and school, but not going to let the cat out of the bag. I'll get a chance to see her play (serve?) next month. If sitting on the bench in volleyball teaches you to be a starter in life...
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Post by redbeard2008 on Oct 21, 2014 14:16:51 GMT -5
What about Karch? I think talented players can be good coaches - they just have to have the work ethic/love for the grind to match it. I'm not sure he was the most talented or athletically gifted on those gold medal USA teams, but he might have been the smartest.
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Post by Phaedrus on Oct 21, 2014 14:40:00 GMT -5
There has always been a belief that the best coaches comes from the bench. In baseball, it has been the bullpen catcher or the utility infielder because they spend their time in the dugouts learning and thinking the game. In Basketball, MJ has steadfastly refused to coach a team because he couldn't parlay what was intuitive to him to others. Larry Bird quit coaching as soon as he was able. Magic Johnson was an abysmal head coach. Phil Jackson was a bench guy. Eric Spoelstra was a video guy. Pop was a high school coach. In football, Belichick was a coach's son, someone who sat the bench a lot, observing. Marc Trestman couldn't stick at University of Minnesota nor with the Vikings. What about Karch? I think talented players can be good coaches - they just have to have the work ethic/love for the grind to match it. I think Karch has been a very intuitive player. He started playing very young and learned lessons about the game that is difficult to translate. But I think the four years he spent as the NT assistant with Hugh has made him a student of the game, because it was his job to explain all of the decisions to some people with very high VB IQs. I think he has undergone the painful process of learning the why's of doing certain things. Something that the others I mentioned never wanted to bother to learn. So I would say he is the exception rather than the rule.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 14:45:43 GMT -5
This is emblematic of the Millenial generation, not just sports superstars. They enter the workforce, and think they know everything already. Enter Bob Dylan (Bob who?): "Ah but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now."
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Post by Wolfgang on Oct 21, 2014 14:46:32 GMT -5
I'm more personally familiar with a variation:
As a junior in high school, I was a stud soccer player. So much so that at the beginning of the summer entering my senior year, the coach said he valued me so much that he was going to build a team around me, that I was his "Number 1" pick, guaranteed captain, etc. I was so confident and arrogant that I was a lazy bum that summer. In late summer at the beginning of my senior year, the team got together for two-a-days and I was surprised to discover that everyone else got amazingly better and I regressed. Everyone else was faster, stronger, had skillz. I felt like a goddamn snail. Can't believe I was such a disappointment to the coach. What did I learn? The evils of complacency, never underestimate work ethic, and don't listen to people who tell you you're a god.
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Post by oldmanvb on Oct 21, 2014 14:48:04 GMT -5
My daughter played four years at a d3 school. Played very little. She was named a captain her senior year, even though she played in less than 25 sets. No scholarship. At the d3 level, very few players stay with the team if they do not play regularly. I understand how painful it is for a father to travel and watch his daughter not play. As with showmevb’s daughter, my daughter handled it much better than me. She used her volleyball experience to her benefit through law school and into the practice of law. One of my favorite moments was her senior year when her coach told me how much she appreciated my daughter’s approach to practice and help with younger players, some of whom played in front of her. I’m not sure how she saw better than her parents the value of staying with her commitment. Not hard to tell how proud I am, just as showmevb is justifiably proud of his daughter.
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Post by beb12345 on Oct 21, 2014 16:48:30 GMT -5
Mine did not until after she was the #10 recruit in the country for her class and went off to college. She has sat on the bench (stood next to it that is)for most of three years now and the writing is on the wall for a fourth. Always answers the call when needed for brief stints and has found ways to contribute ie, serving, etc. For dad, it was one of the most difficult things I've experienced...and I will always struggle with the "what if she had gone anywhere else" and I do mean "anywhere". But for my daughter, I am positive that it (along with a lot of patience she has been shown while adjusting) will be far more valuable in serving her for the rest of her life than going right in and continuing to be the superstar would have been. This life lesson hasn't been easy, but it has been valuable. And a free education at a prominent university is nothing to be ashamed of. It is, afterall, why she is there...the education. She has proven that to me over the years of what at times had to be overwhelming disappointment. She has never faltered in her desire to stay right where she is for all the right reasons. Me....well different story...took me longer to come around. All one should want for their child is what is best for them...even if the path is not exactly what we would have chosen. I trust my daughter when she says she is happy and right where she wants to be. The life-long lessons will help her deal with emotion, problem solve, and cope when things don't go as planned. What more could a dad ask from a university and its coaching staff and teammates. So, yes the bench can be a long-term positive IF one can survive the immediate negative that comes with it. Particulary when you understand that you are right where you deserve to be in the talent pool in which you swim. Just keep the head high, watch the body language when the chips are down because volley talkers will call you out on it, and BE READY when you are needed. Two cents, for what it's worth. Perhaps 4 cents. Excellent human experience and the feelings that go with it.
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Post by sizzlincatfish on Oct 21, 2014 16:52:55 GMT -5
I thought this might be a response to the song "I Hope You Dance."
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Oct 21, 2014 17:16:30 GMT -5
Mine did not until after she was the #10 recruit in the country for her class and went off to college. She has sat on the bench (stood next to it that is)for most of three years now and the writing is on the wall for a fourth. Always answers the call when needed for brief stints and has found ways to contribute ie, serving, etc. For dad, it was one of the most difficult things I've experienced...and I will always struggle with the "what if she had gone anywhere else" and I do mean "anywhere". But for my daughter, I am positive that it (along with a lot of patience she has been shown while adjusting) will be far more valuable in serving her for the rest of her life than going right in and continuing to be the superstar would have been. This life lesson hasn't been easy, but it has been valuable. And a free education at a prominent university is nothing to be ashamed of. It is, afterall, why she is there...the education. She has proven that to me over the years of what at times had to be overwhelming disappointment. She has never faltered in her desire to stay right where she is for all the right reasons. Me....well different story...took me longer to come around. All one should want for their child is what is best for them...even if the path is not exactly what we would have chosen. I trust my daughter when she says she is happy and right where she wants to be. The life-long lessons will help her deal with emotion, problem solve, and cope when things don't go as planned. What more could a dad ask from a university and its coaching staff and teammates. So, yes the bench can be a long-term positive IF one can survive the immediate negative that comes with it. Particulary when you understand that you are right where you deserve to be in the talent pool in which you swim. Just keep the head high, watch the body language when the chips are down because volley talkers will call you out on it, and BE READY when you are needed. Two cents, for what it's worth. You've raised a great kid, who has her priorities right with her long-term thinking. Even though she hasn't played a lot, we fans know how much she has contributed over the years and are grateful that she is where she is. Your daughter may not have gotten a lot of playing time, but she has plenty of fans cheering her on, whether she steps on the court or not.
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Post by MTC on Oct 21, 2014 18:39:15 GMT -5
Are we talking about Stanford?
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Post by downtheline on Oct 22, 2014 2:59:57 GMT -5
Getting off the bench does take hard work and dedication. Sticking with adversity is a life lesson we all can learn from.
Sitting a #10 recruit can be hard to digest for many reasons. The slope gets steeper the higher level you participate in.
I've seen coaches sit stars for many different reasons. Nothing worse when it's a personal issue between coach and player. Or your the once loved forgotten recruit.
You start to wonder if the player was worthy of the recruiting evaluation. Never seen any statistics on the expectations v. Performance in college.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 22, 2014 3:09:09 GMT -5
Getting off the bench does take hard work and dedication. Sticking with adversity is a life lesson we all can learn from. Sitting a #10 recruit can be hard to digest for many reasons. The slope gets steeper the higher level you participate in. I've seen coaches sit stars for many different reasons. Nothing worse when it's a personal issue between coach and player. Or your the once loved forgotten recruit. You start to wonder if the player was worthy of the recruiting evaluation. Never seen any statistics on the expectations v. Performance in college. This player, IMO, would start at nearly ANY other school. Most top schools and any school out of the top ten. She seriously good. But she plays on a team where her position was played by two AA and this year a talented frosh. (Most people know but still don't think te father wants its released). But She is very very vert talented and thhe team she is on is lucky to hVe her
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Post by gobruins on Oct 22, 2014 4:27:20 GMT -5
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Post by lovethis on Oct 22, 2014 5:32:36 GMT -5
She's getting a STANFORD education for free and daddy is mad about playing time. The world we live in is really messed up.....
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