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Post by vbnerd on May 4, 2015 11:23:27 GMT -5
My point is JC has become much weaker over the years and pointed out the reason why. Very low non- qualifier count. I believe it is because the emergence of club ball has prepared and unfortunately segregated the talent for college a great deal over the last 15 years. Also fewer international players over the years as well. The 80-90's had some great programs with top 20 talent (Coll of S Idaho, Miami Dade, Lee College, San Jac,...). moving to D1 but those numbers have weakened a great deal since then. And yes, I've watched JC ball since the 70's. Still good coaches there but just weaker talent. Just stating the reality. No beef against JC's. Decadesofvb is also accepting petitions for the flat earth society. You can contacting him at his website thingsthatarewrong.com
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Post by dcwavevb on May 4, 2015 11:47:28 GMT -5
Another one? I thought they already replaced all coaches at CUNY and SUNY this year. Can you say what school?
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Post by dexter on May 4, 2015 15:41:05 GMT -5
My point is JC has become much weaker over the years and pointed out the reason why. Very low non- qualifier count. I believe it is because the emergence of club ball has prepared and unfortunately segregated the talent for college a great deal over the last 15 years. Also fewer international players over the years as well. The 80-90's had some great programs with top 20 talent (Coll of S Idaho, Miami Dade, Lee College, San Jac,...). moving to D1 but those numbers have weakened a great deal since then. And yes, I've watched JC ball since the 70's. Still good coaches there but just weaker talent. Just stating the reality. No beef against JC's. Decadesofvb is also accepting petitions for the flat earth society. You can contacting him at his website thingsthatarewrong.com +1 Let me get this right. Many JC's can beat DI's and you say the top HS teams can beat JC's. Why don't you just say that top HS teams can beat DI teams? That is essentially a reality as well then, right? You said so when you said that the top 100 prospects go DI which means that some HS teams that are loaded with DI talent. Sorry, I am just stating the obvious I guess. I think the question is (and why you keep getting hit on this subject) why do you say no beef against JC's when your argument is directed toward them when it could be used against any level of play? Literally any level of play? You argue that club ball has segregated talent. Club ball has increased the talent pool so there is more/better to choose from for everyone. The only thing club segregated was the players -- those that play club vs. those that only play high school. You can tell that you are wrong because you had vbman100 comment right after to try to get the board to stray from the topic. I get this is a jobs thread, but the question that posed this discussion was whether or not a JC is a better opportunity than a D3. It depends on the situation, but I think it is fair to argue that any level could be comparable over any other level depending on the pay, resources, location, family support, quality of life, support staff, etc etc etc.
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Post by junior1 on May 4, 2015 18:02:51 GMT -5
My point is JC has become much weaker over the years and pointed out the reason why. Very low non- qualifier count. I believe it is because the emergence of club ball has prepared and unfortunately segregated the talent for college a great deal over the last 15 years. Also fewer international players over the years as well. The 80-90's had some great programs with top 20 talent (Coll of S Idaho, Miami Dade, Lee College, San Jac,...). moving to D1 but those numbers have weakened a great deal since then. And yes, I've watched JC ball since the 70's. Still good coaches there but just weaker talent. Just stating the reality. No beef against JC's. No beef about your comments either. It is really about where you are from. In certain regions of the United States, the juco volleyball is poor, just like the NCAA level rises and falls depending upon where you travel to. The region where this young lady got her start is one of those. If you are lucky enough, however, this state of affairs is regional and not true of the whole United States. There are d3 JUCO that are very strong and would be competitive and successful in NCAA d1. However, once you get in d2 and d1 JUCO, there are many more teams that could make a stir. Some kids attend JUCOs for academic reasons (there are successful young athletes who don't like academics), closeness to family, academic opportunities (there are good JUCO academic programs) and sometimes even loyalty. Shoot the Cali d3 JUCO aren't even a part of the NJCAA, worth a look perhaps?
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Post by vbnerd on May 4, 2015 18:32:35 GMT -5
In an effort to tie the comparison of various levels back to the jobs thread lets look at a few moves and non-moves
D3 Union hired the head coach away from D1 St. Peters. St Peters only has two FT coaches, both for the basketball teams. Union reportedly pays more money, include benefits, and is located in a much cheaper place to live. Additionally, Union is a better school and supposedly treats their athletes better.
Brady Starkey and Jenny McDowell are D2 and D3 coaches who reportedly have been approached about D1 jobs and have not budged. The money at some "lower" level schools is at or approaching 6 figures. Is Emory better at volleyball than Georgia? Most years, no, but Emory is a great school with a first class athletic program so they get some great athletes who would otherwise have played at Division I schools, so how big is the difference? I think there have been many years that it would be more interesting than you would expect. A lot of people on here think Brady Starkey could step in and win in the Big 10 as Jim Tressel and Bo Ryan have done in other sports.
There are great coaches and great teams at every level. There are bad coaches and bad teams at every level (look at D1 Savannah St).
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Post by coachwpassion on May 5, 2015 8:26:22 GMT -5
In an effort to tie the comparison of various levels back to the jobs thread lets look at a few moves and non-moves D3 Union hired the head coach away from D1 St. Peters. St Peters only has two FT coaches, both for the basketball teams. Union reportedly pays more money, include benefits, and is located in a much cheaper place to live. Additionally, Union is a better school and supposedly treats their athletes better. Brady Starkey and Jenny McDowell are D2 and D3 coaches who reportedly have been approached about D1 jobs and have not budged. The money at some "lower" level schools is at or approaching 6 figures. Is Emory better at volleyball than Georgia? Most years, no, but Emory is a great school with a first class athletic program so they get some great athletes who would otherwise have played at Division I schools, so how big is the difference? I think there have been many years that it would be more interesting than you would expect. A lot of people on here think Brady Starkey could step in and win in the Big 10 as Jim Tressel and Bo Ryan have done in other sports. There are great coaches and great teams at every level. There are bad coaches and bad teams at every level (look at D1 Savannah St). Great post vbnerd! We can also look at Paula Weishoff who left division 1 to head back to Concordia where she has been successful in the past. She left for quality of life. Many of these great coaches at various levels stay because pay isn't everything. Either is the "ego" of Power 5 conference. Why leave when you can be a champion or compete at the highest level of your field, receive a good salary, and also attend a child's birthday party. It is an interesting dynamic and definitely a person to person choice but the appeal is there.
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Post by tmb on May 5, 2015 8:52:56 GMT -5
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Post by pipe14 on May 5, 2015 9:27:46 GMT -5
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Post by TaaDaa on May 5, 2015 10:01:37 GMT -5
Any word on Clemson assistant coaches? Or did I miss it somewhere?
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Post by twitteridiot on May 5, 2015 11:39:51 GMT -5
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Post by formercoach on May 5, 2015 12:15:16 GMT -5
Any word on Clemson assistant coaches? Or did I miss it somewhere? Well, Stephanie Hernesman will be one...
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Post by formercoach on May 5, 2015 12:16:24 GMT -5
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Post by Frank Costanza on May 5, 2015 12:35:49 GMT -5
Any word on Clemson assistant coaches? Or did I miss it somewhere? Well, Stephanie Hernesman will be one... She's not going to be the Co-Head Coach like she was with Hugh at Northwestern State ?
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Post by coachwpassion on May 5, 2015 12:58:01 GMT -5
Fran is a Class ACT! Know her personally and saw her coach while she was at Williams. Wishing her all the best!
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Post by coachwpassion on May 5, 2015 12:59:08 GMT -5
There is a shocker. I flew off my chair for that one (insert sarcasm here)
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