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Post by setter1848 on Nov 21, 2014 11:55:52 GMT -5
Michigan State University will be looking for a new assistant coach as Associate Head Coach Russ Carney has announce he will be retiring after this year. I have know Russ for a long time and he has been a great friend and mentor to me over the years. He will truly be missed in the volleyball community!!
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Post by Heisenberg on Nov 21, 2014 12:11:05 GMT -5
Michigan State University will be looking for a new assistant coach as Associate Head Coach Russ Carney has announce he will be retiring after this year. I have know Russ for a long time and he has been a great friend and mentor to me over the years. He will truly be missed in the volleyball community!! I wonder if Jim Stone just steps in there.
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Post by sportsnut on Nov 21, 2014 12:20:03 GMT -5
I totally agree with cwpsy. There are still AD's out there that truly care about the athletes getting a good education and being ready to go out into the world to be successful. Most of those programs aren't fully funded and the AD is just happy that they don't have to worry about anything else. But the majority of AD's are making much more money then they did 10-15 years ago and their jobs are on the line if for no other reason the ALUMNI aren't happy! With social media now a days, if a coach, player or alumni contact the AD with a complaint they have to take notice. So getting back to younger coaches being hired and fired, I think there is no longer a window of opportunity for coaches to grow and learn. Win, you keep your job cause alumni will be happy. Don't upset the parents, you keep your job. Don't upset the players, you keep your job. If any coach, especially a younger new coach is not able to do any of one these things now a days they will get slammed by social media (we do it all the time on Vtalk) and could definitely lose their job.
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Post by spikeninja on Nov 21, 2014 14:04:22 GMT -5
I totally agree with cwpsy. There are still AD's out there that truly care about the athletes getting a good education and being ready to go out into the world to be successful. Most of those programs aren't fully funded and the AD is just happy that they don't have to worry about anything else. But the majority of AD's are making much more money then they did 10-15 years ago and their jobs are on the line if for no other reason the ALUMNI aren't happy! With social media now a days, if a coach, player or alumni contact the AD with a complaint they have to take notice. So getting back to younger coaches being hired and fired, I think there is no longer a window of opportunity for coaches to grow and learn. Win, you keep your job cause alumni will be happy. Don't upset the parents, you keep your job. Don't upset the players, you keep your job. If any coach, especially a younger new coach is not able to do any of one these things now a days they will get slammed by social media (we do it all the time on Vtalk) and could definitely lose their job. Not too far off with this post. To sum up....the inmates are running the asylum.
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Post by spikeninja on Nov 21, 2014 14:31:30 GMT -5
30 under 30, kiss of death.... Here's another problem....when you base a hiring decision on "What they are saying". What They Said When Weindel Became MSU's Ninth Head Coach: “Kyle will be an outstanding addition to Montana State University and their community. His extensive experience and knowledge in the sport of volleyball will be a tremendous asset for the program. I think the student-athletes will learn a lot and be successful under Kyle's leadership. We are also sad to see him leave the Ohio volleyball program, department and community. Kyle has become a local celebrity in Athens and the city of Bozeman will greatly enjoy both him and the success he will bring to the program.” ----- Ryan Theis, Head Coach, Marquette University “Kyle is a good choice because he brings passion, unbelievable energy and a belief that he can teach and help young athletes to get better. Those qualities are essential in developing a culture that will bring championships down the road.” ----- Mick Haley, Head Coach, USC; former USA Women's National Team Head Coach “Kyle is an up and coming star in the Division 1 coaching ranks. He has played and coached at a high level and will bring a lot of knowledge and passion to the Montana State program. I look forward to watching the progress the program will make under Kyle.” ----- Anne Kordes, Head Coach, University of Louisville Yeah, networking is great. But networking doesn't make you a good coach. And AD's making hiring decisions based on someone's opinion who has NOTHING invested in the decision (meaning if they succeed or fail it doesn't TRULY affect them), it's a lazy way out. Again, I am not ripping Kyle. I don't know dime one about him. I am ripping a failing system of promotion. He might be good, and Montana State might be horrible in their support. Bill Belichick is a disaster in Cleveland, a genius in New England. I do think....looking at the resume....it a case of starting the silver spoon of volleyball in your mouth (Ball State network) and not acquiring enough experience to take on a truly challenging situation at Montana State. You can be good for where you are at, but not good for where you want to go. I do notice male coaches getting a quick pull of the plug while female coaches get a ton of latitude and 2nd and 3rd chances quickly. That is a discrepancy for another thread. Just my thoughts on this post. Best of luck to Kyle. With his network he probably won't need it.
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Post by oldman on Nov 21, 2014 14:38:39 GMT -5
30 under 30, kiss of death.... Here's another problem....when you base a hiring decision on "What they are saying". What They Said When Weindel Became MSU's Ninth Head Coach: “Kyle will be an outstanding addition to Montana State University and their community. His extensive experience and knowledge in the sport of volleyball will be a tremendous asset for the program. I think the student-athletes will learn a lot and be successful under Kyle's leadership. We are also sad to see him leave the Ohio volleyball program, department and community. Kyle has become a local celebrity in Athens and the city of Bozeman will greatly enjoy both him and the success he will bring to the program.” ----- Ryan Theis, Head Coach, Marquette University “Kyle is a good choice because he brings passion, unbelievable energy and a belief that he can teach and help young athletes to get better. Those qualities are essential in developing a culture that will bring championships down the road.” ----- Mick Haley, Head Coach, USC; former USA Women's National Team Head Coach “Kyle is an up and coming star in the Division 1 coaching ranks. He has played and coached at a high level and will bring a lot of knowledge and passion to the Montana State program. I look forward to watching the progress the program will make under Kyle.” ----- Anne Kordes, Head Coach, University of Louisville Yeah, networking is great. But networking doesn't make you a good coach. And AD's making hiring decisions based on someone's opinion who has NOTHING invested in the decision (meaning if they succeed or fail it doesn't TRULY affect them), it's a lazy way out. Again, I am not ripping Kyle. I don't know dime one about him. I am ripping a failing system of promotion. He might be good, and Montana State might be horrible in their support. Bill Belichick is a disaster in Cleveland, a genius in New England. I do think....looking at the resume....it a case of starting the silver spoon of volleyball in your mouth (Ball State network) and not acquiring enough experience to take on a truly challenging situation at Montana State. You can be good for where you are at, but not good for where you want to go. I do notice male coaches getting a quick pull of the plug while female coaches get a ton of latitude and 2nd and 3rd chances quickly. That is a discrepancy for another thread. Just my thoughts on this post. Best of luck to Kyle. With his network he probably won't need it. I am not Kyle nor do I play him on TV but if I was WOW my feelings are hurt right now.
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Post by volleytalker16 on Nov 21, 2014 15:28:22 GMT -5
Here's another problem....when you base a hiring decision on "What they are saying". What They Said When Weindel Became MSU's Ninth Head Coach: “Kyle will be an outstanding addition to Montana State University and their community. His extensive experience and knowledge in the sport of volleyball will be a tremendous asset for the program. I think the student-athletes will learn a lot and be successful under Kyle's leadership. We are also sad to see him leave the Ohio volleyball program, department and community. Kyle has become a local celebrity in Athens and the city of Bozeman will greatly enjoy both him and the success he will bring to the program.” ----- Ryan Theis, Head Coach, Marquette University “Kyle is a good choice because he brings passion, unbelievable energy and a belief that he can teach and help young athletes to get better. Those qualities are essential in developing a culture that will bring championships down the road.” ----- Mick Haley, Head Coach, USC; former USA Women's National Team Head Coach “Kyle is an up and coming star in the Division 1 coaching ranks. He has played and coached at a high level and will bring a lot of knowledge and passion to the Montana State program. I look forward to watching the progress the program will make under Kyle.” ----- Anne Kordes, Head Coach, University of Louisville Yeah, networking is great. But networking doesn't make you a good coach. And AD's making hiring decisions based on someone's opinion who has NOTHING invested in the decision (meaning if they succeed or fail it doesn't TRULY affect them), it's a lazy way out. Again, I am not ripping Kyle. I don't know dime one about him. I am ripping a failing system of promotion. He might be good, and Montana State might be horrible in their support. Bill Belichick is a disaster in Cleveland, a genius in New England. I do think....looking at the resume....it a case of starting the silver spoon of volleyball in your mouth (Ball State network) and not acquiring enough experience to take on a truly challenging situation at Montana State. You can be good for where you are at, but not good for where you want to go. I do notice male coaches getting a quick pull of the plug while female coaches get a ton of latitude and 2nd and 3rd chances quickly. That is a discrepancy for another thread. Just my thoughts on this post. Best of luck to Kyle. With his network he probably won't need it. I am not Kyle nor do I play him on TV but if I was WOW my feelings are hurt right now. Then he probably should give up coaching if he did just get his feelings hurt
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 18:56:41 GMT -5
Here's another problem....when you base a hiring decision on "What they are saying". What They Said When Weindel Became MSU's Ninth Head Coach: “Kyle will be an outstanding addition to Montana State University and their community. His extensive experience and knowledge in the sport of volleyball will be a tremendous asset for the program. I think the student-athletes will learn a lot and be successful under Kyle's leadership. We are also sad to see him leave the Ohio volleyball program, department and community. Kyle has become a local celebrity in Athens and the city of Bozeman will greatly enjoy both him and the success he will bring to the program.” ----- Ryan Theis, Head Coach, Marquette University “Kyle is a good choice because he brings passion, unbelievable energy and a belief that he can teach and help young athletes to get better. Those qualities are essential in developing a culture that will bring championships down the road.” ----- Mick Haley, Head Coach, USC; former USA Women's National Team Head Coach “Kyle is an up and coming star in the Division 1 coaching ranks. He has played and coached at a high level and will bring a lot of knowledge and passion to the Montana State program. I look forward to watching the progress the program will make under Kyle.” ----- Anne Kordes, Head Coach, University of Louisville Yeah, networking is great. But networking doesn't make you a good coach. And AD's making hiring decisions based on someone's opinion who has NOTHING invested in the decision (meaning if they succeed or fail it doesn't TRULY affect them), it's a lazy way out. Again, I am not ripping Kyle. I don't know dime one about him. I am ripping a failing system of promotion. He might be good, and Montana State might be horrible in their support. Bill Belichick is a disaster in Cleveland, a genius in New England. I do think....looking at the resume....it a case of starting the silver spoon of volleyball in your mouth (Ball State network) and not acquiring enough experience to take on a truly challenging situation at Montana State. You can be good for where you are at, but not good for where you want to go. I do notice male coaches getting a quick pull of the plug while female coaches get a ton of latitude and 2nd and 3rd chances quickly. That is a discrepancy for another thread. Just my thoughts on this post. Best of luck to Kyle. With his network he probably won't need it. I am not Kyle nor do I play him on TV but if I was WOW my feelings are hurt right now. Why would his feelings be hurt? I think that is a fair assessment. He put up good quotes and said maybe it was his location not him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2014 22:47:44 GMT -5
Salaries and size of budgets have changed why coaches lose their jobs. 10-15 years ago if you were getting paid 47k, kids were happy, graduating, staying out of trouble and your team was decent, you would never get fired. Once youre getting paid more, and given more resources, those things alone won't cut it. Even at DI level there are still quiet few part-time gigs and jobs with extra duties and less money. I am not even talking about DIII schools, where coaches can't even dream about full time, not to mention 47K. Most of them will pay around 10K and no recruiting budget. This is not necessarily true. I'm sure it is in certain areas of the country, but I know plenty of DIII coaches who are full-time and making a decent salary. I have interviewed for a few and two specified the salary in the $40-50k range and another in the mid-$30k range. A lot of them are dual positions, however many are full-time coaching positions.
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Post by ja on Nov 21, 2014 23:06:50 GMT -5
Even at DI level there are still quiet few part-time gigs and jobs with extra duties and less money. I am not even talking about DIII schools, where coaches can't even dream about full time, not to mention 47K. Most of them will pay around 10K and no recruiting budget. This is not necessarily true. I'm sure it is in certain areas of the country, but I know plenty of DIII coaches who are full-time and making a decent salary. I have interviewed for a few and two specified the salary in the $40-50k range and another in the mid-$30k range. A lot of them are dual positions, however many are full-time coaching positions. Try to survive for 50K at NYC, LA, DC or any Metro area! I would love to see how you will do it!
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Post by oldman on Nov 21, 2014 23:57:08 GMT -5
This is not necessarily true. I'm sure it is in certain areas of the country, but I know plenty of DIII coaches who are full-time and making a decent salary. I have interviewed for a few and two specified the salary in the $40-50k range and another in the mid-$30k range. A lot of them are dual positions, however many are full-time coaching positions. Try to survive for 50K at NYC, LA, DC or any Metro area! I would love to see how you will do it! Cost of Living....umm plenty jobs not in Metro areas, different strokes for different folks.
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Post by ja on Nov 22, 2014 8:25:53 GMT -5
A little shocker. Eagle will fly out. Sad. It seems like more of a personal reason.
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Post by 2manytourneys on Nov 22, 2014 9:03:07 GMT -5
A little shocker. Eagle will fly out. Sad. It seems like more of a personal reason. Hmmm,.. That narrows it down to American, Boston College, Coppin State, Eastern Michigan, Eastern Washington, Florida Gulf Coast, Georgia Southern, Marquette [Golden], Morehead State, Niagara [Purple], North Carolina Central, Oral Roberts [Golden], Southern Miss [Golden], Tennesse Tech [Golden], and Winthrop.
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Post by ja on Nov 22, 2014 9:37:25 GMT -5
A little shocker. Eagle will fly out. Sad. It seems like more of a personal reason. Hmmm,.. That narrows it down to American, Boston College, Coppin State, Eastern Michigan, Eastern Washington, Florida Gulf Coast, Georgia Southern, Marquette [Golden], Morehead State, Niagara [Purple], North Carolina Central, Oral Roberts [Golden], Southern Miss [Golden], Tennesse Tech [Golden], and Winthrop. Actually the eagle will stay put, but a Hawk will fly.
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Post by ja on Nov 22, 2014 9:39:50 GMT -5
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