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Post by kidfree on Oct 31, 2014 22:21:33 GMT -5
Could someone clarify what the rule would be in the following situation. I've seen both, but never combined.
Play #1 Team B shanks an attack from Team A. The ball crosses the plane of net but outside of the antennas. Player from Team B chases it down and passes it back to their side of the court for the play to continue.
Play #2 Team B shanks an attack from Team A. The ball crosses the plane of net but outside of the antennas. Player from Team A yells "out" and guards the ball so that her own team doesn't touch it.
If both plays were combined and the player from Team B ran into the player from Team A would the player from Team A be called for interfering with the player from Team B or would they be okay since in was on her side of the plane of the net.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 31, 2014 22:47:30 GMT -5
NCAA rule 15.1.1.1 (the "pursuit" rule) says "The opponent may not prevent this action." So under NCAA rules, that ball belongs to Team B, and Team A is not allowed to "guard" it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 22:55:52 GMT -5
Not the question, but something a lot of people don't get with this rule. Not only does the ball have to cross outside of the antenna for Team B to play it, they then have to play it BACK outside of the antenna.
You even see players pursuing a ball that was clearly inside of the antenna.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 31, 2014 23:01:27 GMT -5
Not the question, but something a lot of people don't get with this rule. Not only does the ball have to cross outside of the antenna for Team B to play it, they then have to play it BACK outside of the antenna. I saw that called this year at a Washington home match. |
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Post by kidfree on Oct 31, 2014 23:17:34 GMT -5
Thanks, I just won me some popcorn. Seen it attempted many times but never called for being between the antennas. Did see a coach get a yellow card for arguing that it was inside the antenna when the line judge said it was out.
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Post by jayj79 on Oct 31, 2014 23:34:50 GMT -5
I have other rules clarifications (that aren't related to the pursuit rule), but I don't know if it is worth starting a new thread.
1: are there NCAA rules regarding coaches standing alongside the court during play? I thought I remembered an asst. coach telling me once that technically, only one coach is allowed to stand like that. but of course, if that is in fact a rule, I've never ever seen it enforced. Quite often there are 2 or 3 coaches standing there during play (not just standing by the bench, but out kind of in front of the scorers table).
2: is there a rule governing how long after the "ready for play" whistle that the server gets to serve? I've never seen that get called either, and sometimes I'll get almost up to a ten second count before the serve.
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Post by brickwall on Nov 1, 2014 0:30:49 GMT -5
I've sen #2 called 3 times. Once at a jr high game, once at a club tournament where they didn't hear it, and once in high school where the server realized she was the wring server after the whistle and tried to quickly switch servers (not sure if that would have been legal even if completed on time). Anyway, think it's 5 seconds.
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Post by joetrinsey on Nov 1, 2014 1:07:54 GMT -5
It's not just players you have to watch out for:
(about 0:35)
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Post by psumaui on Nov 1, 2014 2:56:17 GMT -5
It's not just players you have to watch out for: (about 0:35) I would think that would be interference by the player that got in way of USA player? Coach just stood there also. |
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Post by nationalreferee on Nov 1, 2014 6:52:17 GMT -5
I have other rules clarifications (that aren't related to the pursuit rule), but I don't know if it is worth starting a new thread. 1: are there NCAA rules regarding coaches standing alongside the court during play? I thought I remembered an asst. coach telling me once that technically, only one coach is allowed to stand like that. but of course, if that is in fact a rule, I've never ever seen it enforced. Quite often there are 2 or 3 coaches standing there during play (not just standing by the bench, but out kind of in front of the scorers table). 2: is there a rule governing how long after the "ready for play" whistle that the server gets to serve? I've never seen that get called either, and sometimes I'll get almost up to a ten second count before the serve. 1. All coaches can stand during play, all 10 of them (if so). They must be 1.75 meters from the playing court during play. They may not be in the substitution zone. Only NJCAA has a rule that one coach at a time may stand during play to give instruction to players on the court. 2. There is no "ready to play" whistle. There is a whistle and service beckon, after which the player has 8 seconds to serve. |
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Post by nationalreferee on Nov 1, 2014 6:56:43 GMT -5
Not the question, but something a lot of people don't get with this rule. Not only does the ball have to cross outside of the antenna for Team B to play it, they then have to play it BACK outside of the antenna. You even see players pursuing a ball that was clearly inside of the antenna. Just a quick clarification.. For a ball to be pursuable, it must pass outside OR OVER the antenna. It must be returned outside OR OVER the antenna. It may also hit the ceiling or overhead playing obstruction in the opponent's free Zone (not over the playing court). |
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Post by nationalreferee on Nov 1, 2014 7:01:24 GMT -5
I have other rules clarifications (that aren't related to the pursuit rule), but I don't know if it is worth starting a new thread. 1: are there NCAA rules regarding coaches standing alongside the court during play? I thought I remembered an asst. coach telling me once that technically, only one coach is allowed to stand like that. but of course, if that is in fact a rule, I've never ever seen it enforced. Quite often there are 2 or 3 coaches standing there during play (not just standing by the bench, but out kind of in front of the scorers table). 2: is there a rule governing how long after the "ready for play" whistle that the server gets to serve? I've never seen that get called either, and sometimes I'll get almost up to a ten second count before the serve. 1. All coaches can stand during play, all 10 of them (if so). They must be 1.75 meters from the playing court during play. Only NJCAA has a rule that one coach at a time may stand during play to give instruction to players on the court. 2. There is no "ready to play" whistle. There is a whistle and service beckon, after which the player has 8 seconds to serve. I should clarify... 8 seconds to serve in NCAA and USAV (14 and over). In High School and USAV (13/younger) it is 5 seconds, but you can let it drop and re-serve (one every serve in USAV, only once per TERM of service in NFHS /High school |
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Nov 1, 2014 8:53:15 GMT -5
1. All coaches can stand during play, all 10 of them (if so). They must be 1.75 meters from the playing court during play. They may not be in the substitution zone. Only NJCAA has a rule that one coach at a time may stand during play to give instruction to players on the court. Since the HS rules are also being discussed in this thread, we should point out that HS rules limit it to HC and only while the ball is not in play. I think USAV limits it to A coach and only while the ball is not in play. Seen it called over the years, but only when the coach is being a pain about it or the other coach complains enough. I have definitely seen some coaches that I wanted to go over a tell them to sit down and shut up, and not always on the other team [if you know what I mean]. |
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Post by WI FIB on Nov 1, 2014 8:57:23 GMT -5
8 seconds to serve in NCAA and USAV (14 and over). In High School and USAV (13/younger) it is 5 seconds, but you can let it drop and re-serve (one every serve in USAV, only once per TERM of service in NFHS /High school USAV 14s are also 5 seconds. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 9:42:01 GMT -5
Not the question, but something a lot of people don't get with this rule. Not only does the ball have to cross outside of the antenna for Team B to play it, they then have to play it BACK outside of the antenna. You even see players pursuing a ball that was clearly inside of the antenna. Just a quick clarification.. For a ball to be pursuable, it must pass outside OR OVER the antenna. It must be returned outside OR OVER the antenna. It may also hit the ceiling or overhead playing obstruction in the opponent's free Zone (not over the playing court). I could look this up, but I'll just ask. Does this mean we have another "any part of the ball" rule? That is, any part of the ball passing over the antenna makes it legal? That is, if all but a tiny part of the ball passes INSIDE the antenna, it's still legal to pursue it AND legal if it comes back in play that way? I'm guessing that's the case, since you have legal and illegal (in or out) and you can't have something in between. Yikes. That's all but impossible for refs to call (especially coming back) unless you have REALLY active line judges. Wouldn't it make more sense if the ball had to be completely outside the antenna coming back? |
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