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Post by volleyfan24 on Nov 5, 2014 3:44:34 GMT -5
What happens if Stanford wins at Washington. Will Washington's RPI slip them into the four seed, if it does I will be pissed. This is a huge possibility I expect a great game when the teams meet and thus far I do expect both to be undefeated heading into the match up. I would hate to see that Stanford and Washington get thrown on the same side of the bracket also that would mean a potential rematch with Wisconsin which I wouldn't want to see until the Final Four and not on Washington's home floor. Lots of volleyball left to be played but I am a little afraid of tho scenario playing out.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 5, 2014 9:10:34 GMT -5
Sometimes we act like there are Huge mistakes on who gets a seed and who gets a bid? The vast majority is done right - we could probably argue about the last 4 to get a seed, but probably agree on the 1st 12. Same with the final teams that get in or just miss. This happens in every sport and is the nature of putting together a bracket. I actually think the Tournament is enhanced by having virually all non-conference matches occur at the beginning of the season. If becomes fun to see teams from the Big Ten and Pac 12 compete in the tournament - not having any common opponent games in over 2 months. What is Florida State or UNC going to do? These things are made more interesting because there is more unknown. I also think the conference sesaon is better by having this schedule. You are correct - RPI would be more accurate if there were less conference matches and if there were more non-conference matches later in the season. But the marginal gains from slightly improved RPI is not worth some of the advantages the current scheduling has. And I am not in favor of 'marginalizing' small conferences. It is often times the upsets - like American last year - that provides more interest and fun to the tournament. you are completely correct in your comment of most people would agree with the vast majority of who gets a seed/bid. But, the problem is the consistent bias against a particular region of the country (western teams) in favor of another region (eastern teams) because of the committee's reliance on the RPI and that tools inherent bias. Also, American over Duke was only an upset because Duke was very overrated. Looking at that entire subregional gives me gas- Duke, American, Georgia, Charleston. Put any of these teams in pretty much any other subregional and, IMO, none of them are advancing, with the exception of maybe Kentucky's subregional. I was curious as to the approximate Pojected Probability of teams getting out of their Sub Region last year based on the Pablo Rating at the time. I didn't run the numbers for all the sub regions, but I suspect that the probabilities are that 4 home teams will not survive on average - which is consistant with what we have seen. Duke had a 60.8% chance of winning their sub region, while American was 11.7% and Georgia was 21.5%. If BYU had been the host of this reagion instead of Duke - then BYU would have had a 64.8% chance of winning and American's chances would have dropped to 10.5%. I am not sure that going from 11.7% to 10.5% is a significant reduction in American's chances. Now playing a 13-16 seed is significant compared to a top 4 seed. Another note - everyone wants to talk about how easy Wisconsin's bracket was. Yes, it did break nicely once Florida and Missouri lost (although there wasn't that much difference between FSU and Florida). But, Wisconsin probably had the toughest sub regional of any of the seeded teams. Wisconsin only had a 52% chance of winning their 1st two matches. North Carolina had a 24.7% chance of winning the sub regional followed by Cal (19.7%) and Milwaukee (3.6%).
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 5, 2014 13:02:51 GMT -5
What happens if Stanford wins at Washington. Will Washington's RPI slip them into the four seed, if it does I will be pissed. This is a huge possibility I expect a great game when the teams meet and thus far I do expect both to be undefeated heading into the match up. I would hate to see that Stanford and Washington get thrown on the same side of the bracket also that would mean a potential rematch with Wisconsin which I wouldn't want to see until the Final Four and not on Washington's home floor. Lots of volleyball left to be played but I am a little afraid of tho scenario playing out. Maybe...it would really help if FSU could take a loss. the biggest driver will be the win/loss record against other RPI top 25 teams. If Stanford or UW only loses to each other, both would end up with more wins over RPI top 25, which could be the tipping point.
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