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Post by Wiswell on Nov 4, 2014 17:44:50 GMT -5
I realize this is only nominally attached to women's volleyball; however, former head coach Sharon Dingman is quoted in the article, and is one of the several female coaches fired in the recent past. Clearly, her firing was on the basis of her record. What do you think? Is there is a double standard for female coaches? How much of it relates to the fact they are coaching to presumably more sensitive females? Do the athletes themselves expect a different treatment with female vs. male coaches, and may be surprised when a female coach might be as demanding as a male? I'd be interested in those thoughts. espn.go.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/11773583/what-heck-going-iowa-athletic-department
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Post by volleytalker16 on Nov 4, 2014 18:27:55 GMT -5
I realize this is only nominally attached to women's volleyball; however, former head coach Sharon Dingman is quoted in the article, and is one of the several female coaches fired in the recent past. Clearly, her firing was on the basis of her record. What do you think? Is there is a double standard for female coaches? How much of it relates to the fact they are coaching to presumably more sensitive females? Do the athletes themselves expect a different treatment with female vs. male coaches, and may be surprised when a female coach might be as demanding as a male? I'd be interested in those thoughts. espn.go.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/11773583/what-heck-going-iowa-athletic-departmentI find this article fascinating considering she was replaced by her longtime assistant who happens to be a female as well. Besides we all know athletic departments will hire based on their own particular set of ideal standards not necessarily the best candidate. Some males happen to get jobs that shouldn't and some females get jobs that shouldn't. It's all up to what the AD wants. Nothing wrong from what I see here.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 4, 2014 18:30:56 GMT -5
Uggh...that looks bad. One thing is for certain, female coaches are underrepresented in women's volleyball. The causes of that? Who knows, but it's a problem for these athletes, many of whom want to coach. Arias has an interview with Annemarie Hickey where he asked her why she wanted to be a coach. Her answer was that she loved the sport and felt that it was odd that it was male dominated at the coaching level. It needed some women coaches. That tells me that the players notice.
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Post by volleytology on Nov 4, 2014 18:40:15 GMT -5
Uggh...that looks bad. One thing is for certain, female coaches are underrepresented in women's volleyball. The causes of that? Who knows, but it's a problem for these athletes, many of whom want to coach. Arias has an interview with Annemarie Hickey where he asked her why she wanted to be a coach. Her answer was that she loved the sport and felt that it was odd that it was male dominated at the coaching level. It needed some women coaches. That tells me that the players notice. Are you kidding ? AD's search high and low for qualified female candidates, they have every advantage imaginable in the job market.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 4, 2014 18:47:28 GMT -5
They may...but that doesn't change the fact that there aren't that many.
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Post by volleytology on Nov 4, 2014 18:58:34 GMT -5
They may...but that doesn't change the fact that there aren't that many. you actually are postulating that females are discriminated against being hired for volleyball jobs ? Is that what you are suggesting ? That males have an advantage ?
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 4, 2014 19:11:20 GMT -5
I am saying that women are underrepresented in coaching positions...its not that complicated. B1G has 2 women out of 14 coaches. Pac 12 has 3 women coaches. 23 of 60 voters for AVCA poll are women. Seems like more women in the non-power conferences. Could be seniority at work. Don't know enough.
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Post by volleytology on Nov 4, 2014 19:14:09 GMT -5
I am saying that women are underrepresented in coaching positions...its not that complicated. B1G has 2 women out of 14 coaches. Pac 12 has 3 women coaches. 23 of 60 voters for AVCA poll are women. Seems like more women in the non-power conferences. Could be seniority at work. Don't know enough. Or could be women aren't choosing head volleyball coaching as a profession --for a wide variety of reasons, none of which have anything to do with discrimnation against women
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 4, 2014 19:18:40 GMT -5
True...or they could choosing that way because they sense that it is not a friendly place. Like I said, I don't know enough to say for sure. And come to think of it, it would take a lot of information to suss that out properly. But it was apparent to Hickey that there was an imbalance and that was part of her decision to move toward coaching. I thought that was an interesting comment on her part.
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Post by volleytology on Nov 4, 2014 19:24:15 GMT -5
True...or they could choosing that way because they sense that it is not a friendly place. Like I said, I don't know enough to say for sure. And come to think of it, it would take a lot of information to suss that out properly. But it was apparent to Hickey that there was an imbalance and that was part of her decision to move toward coaching. I thought that was an interesting comment on her part. As a young female, she'll have amazing coaching opportunities; good for her
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Post by volleyball20102011 on Nov 4, 2014 19:50:17 GMT -5
I am saying that women are underrepresented in coaching positions...its not that complicated. B1G has 2 women out of 14 coaches. Pac 12 has 3 women coaches. 23 of 60 voters for AVCA poll are women. Seems like more women in the non-power conferences. Could be seniority at work. Don't know enough. Simple fact is male coaches win more. A female coach has never won a D-1 NCAA Vball championship. That's 33 years. 0 for 33. www.ncaa.com/history/volleyball-women/d1If you're an AD in a big time conference and you want results, who would you hire? Not saying that there aren't great female coaches. But history says at the highest level, males win more.
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Post by coachl on Nov 4, 2014 21:03:50 GMT -5
I am saying that women are underrepresented in coaching positions...its not that complicated. B1G has 2 women out of 14 coaches. Pac 12 has 3 women coaches. 23 of 60 voters for AVCA poll are women. Seems like more women in the non-power conferences. Could be seniority at work. Don't know enough. Simple fact is male coaches win more. A female coach has never won a D-1 NCAA Vball championship. That's 33 years. 0 for 33. www.ncaa.com/history/volleyball-women/d1If you're an AD in a big time conference and you want results, who would you hire? Not saying that there aren't great female coaches. But history says at the highest level, males win more. This is a joke, right?!
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Post by volleytalker16 on Nov 4, 2014 21:43:22 GMT -5
Simple fact is male coaches win more. A female coach has never won a D-1 NCAA Vball championship. That's 33 years. 0 for 33. www.ncaa.com/history/volleyball-women/d1If you're an AD in a big time conference and you want results, who would you hire? Not saying that there aren't great female coaches. But history says at the highest level, males win more. This is a joke, right?! Sad but true. No women have won a national championship before. Besides a lot of women get out of coaching because of family reasons and the amount of time that it takes which is why so many young women start off and do have so many advantages at getting in but don't stick to it because of that reason.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 4, 2014 21:59:09 GMT -5
So, if that's true, why are there so many successful women coaches in college basketball? www.ncaa.com/history/basketball-women/d1Strange no? Are you suggesting that somehow vball is better coached by males than females, and basketball is not?
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Post by coachl on Nov 4, 2014 22:16:13 GMT -5
Sad but true. No women have won a national championship before. Besides a lot of women get out of coaching because of family reasons and the amount of time that it takes which is why so many young women start off and do have so many advantages at getting in but don't stick to it because of that reason. I was aware of the fact that no woman has coached a team to a Div I championship, but I was more referring to what the post said about a big time AD hiring a man because 33/33 championships have been won by men...that is just idiotic logic, like saying only a man can be president of the US because only men have done it before. Someday we will have a woman president and someday a woman will coach a team to a Div I national championship!
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