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Post by Boom on Jan 23, 2004 15:33:03 GMT -5
That happened what, 10 years ago? It seems odd to me that you want to bring it up on a public forum. It was an incident of violence -- it's like bringing up a rape in my opinion.
"Hey isn't that the kid that got raped by blah blah blah?"
You seem flippant, and I question your motivation.
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Post by macpahl on Jan 23, 2004 15:41:46 GMT -5
I agree, the complaints that were made public don't seem that bad...a lot of college coaches (and club/HS coaches, for that matter) are insensitive and say mean things...
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Post by azfan on Jan 23, 2004 16:00:55 GMT -5
I talked to a parent of a player last year at a spring tournament. These charges seem eerily familiar to things he was saying. I told him that the girls seemed to be good spirits that day and playing well ... his comment was that it was because the coach was off recruiting and the asst's were running the show that day.
Sounds to me like she won't be there long.
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Post by roofed! on Jan 23, 2004 17:12:41 GMT -5
Some of the students' complaints dealt with privacy issues. for example, the coach publicising the players' grades in front of the team. In the academia, there is supposed to be strict confidentiality on students' grades and class performances. When I attended the training for new teaching assistants a few years ago, we were told that we could not discuss students' classroom performances, even with the students' parents, without consent from the students.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Jan 23, 2004 20:27:14 GMT -5
How come noone is playing good cop/bad cop with me?
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Post by chilipalmer on Jan 23, 2004 22:29:33 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything. Yeah, it all happened a long time ago. I apologize if it seems I'm trying to cause trouble. I saw the name. I remembered an incident. I guess I shouldn't have brought it up.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Jan 23, 2004 22:57:24 GMT -5
I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything. Yeah, it all happened a long time ago. I apologize if it seems I'm trying to cause trouble. I saw the name. I remembered an incident. I guess I shouldn't have brought it up. I don't see the problem... someone care to explain why its a problem that a person was shot and lived through it? |
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Post by Skippy on Jan 23, 2004 23:51:56 GMT -5
Finals are done and I have the time, so I'll argue with you, IB.
[quote author=IdahoBoy® [Pomaika'i] link=board=general&thread=1074870840&start=5#0 date=1074884234]
Ok, I think the fingers asked question is a little rude, but not when implying the person is FAKING!! Everyone knows you can use one finger to stimulate the throw up response to get out of further running! Duh! But, what I don't get is, what is the big deal? The coach is obviously trying to motivate her players to be tough and using herself as an example. The players seem like crybabies from this example.
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This was simply rude in that the mockery exemplified on her part was degrading and humilating. Using herself as an example does not justify anything she said. I fail to see how this is motivating the players. I kind of see some I-think-you're-lying-to-me undertones in this.
[quote author=IdahoBoy® [Pomaika'i] link=board=general&thread=1074870840&start=6#0 date=1074884471]
Ok, this one is a little vague to me. Publicly announced (to the public?) grades to the rest of the team. My question is this: Is there such a rift that team members are embarrassed to hear their teammates grades? Isn't part of going to college to learn and excel? We all know there are NO pro-leagues in the US...and let's face it, if you're going to NAU, you ain't getting in one anyways!
"Publicly announced grades to the team"... sounds to me like there are some serious crybabies on the team searching for an easier way to keep their scholarship.
Besides, a team is a supposed to be a tight bunch of friends so they can gel together on the court. If studies are a problem that are influencing on the court issues, than why not address them as a team?
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I think that the girls were more upset over the intent of publicly announcing their grades aloud. No matter how close the girls on the team are, I can still see why the girls are upset. Maybe it's just me, but I think that I'm getting the message that the coach did this to humiliate some/all of the girls.
[quote author=IdahoBoy® [Pomaika'i] link=board=general&thread=1074870840&start=7#0 date=1074884795]
Scenario on this one: Popular Prissy player is doing bad in school. The coach has responsibilities to keep her kids in school so tries to help since Miss Prissy player doesn't talk to her. Miss PP HAS to talk to her counselor (who may or may not be competent, but does realize that she can't talk about her confidential students without waiver) to figure out what the problems academically are. All parties refuse, the coach, still trying to help, continues to seek a way to help said player through counselor. Counselor, who wants a piece of Miss PP tells student-athlete her coach is trying to manipulate her (or find out that I'm a bad counselor!!).
Ugh, this seems very junior high-ish to me.[/quote]
We don't know what was discussed in these player/counselor meetings. They could range from help over course selection or whatnot to help in dealing with a close friend's or family member's death. Also, the coach apparently had access to grades already as shown by point number one. I don't see why coach would need to know what went on during the counselor meetings to help. She could simply sit down with the athlete and/or counselor and explain Popular Prissy's situation and that it needs to be remedied. Go on from there, but to go behind a player's back to try to pry info out from the counselor? Bad.
[quote author=IdahoBoy® [Pomaika'i] link=board=general&thread=1074870840&start=8#0 date=1074884947]
Here's a scenario for this one.
Hey team, help me out. Such and such player is failing, (Badmouth?!) its our duty to help her. Does she have a boyfriend? No? Is she gay? Who is her girlfriend? Obviously, she isn't spending enough time on studying. Lets talk to her partner to help her with school!
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Once again, we don't know what was said, but this stuff sounded pretty bad. In this context of the question "Is she gay?" being brought up looks like the coach is looking for more ammo to use against the girl. Asking if the girl is spending a lot of time w/ a significant other is sufficient. Asking a player about whether another player's sexual orientation is backstab-ish in my opinion.
[quote author=IdahoBoy® [Pomaika'i] link=board=general&thread=1074870840&start=9#0 date=1074885196]
OK... this will be fun:
Coach: "Hi, this is the coach."
Parent: "Hi, I'm an anonymous parent!!" (scary music plays) "Your behavior sucks to my precious princess!!"
Coach: "Oh, hi such-n-such player's dad, how are you today?" (cheerful voice)
Parent: Furiously! "I am not that person!!!!" **CLICK**
Coach: later that day "Hey Precious Princess player, your dad called and told me I suck, what's going on?"
Player: "My dad did NOT call you!!" (thinks deep down: "it was my girlfriend!! Mwah ha ha!, you're getting fired because of this!!! Mwah ha ha!!")
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The girls have the right to call home to complain about her to their parents. Badgering the girl about it is rude and shows immaturity. If you see a problem with a girl not liking something about your coaching style or whatnot, sit down and dicuss it in a non-acusatory way.
[quote author=IdahoBoy® [Pomaika'i] link=board=general&thread=1074870840&start=10#0 date=1074885405]
Another one:
Player: "Coach, my liver is killing me!! I can't play today."
Coach: "Your liver? Watching too much Beavis and Butthead? Drinking too much? What are you holding your elbow in complaint?"
Player: "The doc said my liver was inflamed and I'm pressing on it to relieve pressure."
Coach: "Were you even listening? You're making this up. You seriously need help. Here is a counselor's number, she'll help your mental stability. You can go now since you can't practice."
Player: "Drat's! I wanted freedom, not another meeting! Foiled again!!! I'm gonna git' that coach!!"[/quote]
All her injuries were fake? Ummm...I was not aware that the head coach was a MD and is capable of diagnosing someone of something. If a girl had a sore shoulder and the coach accused her of being mentally unstable because she told the coach so, there's something wrong with that.
Okay, well, I tried my best. Didn't sound as good as it did when I thought it over. Hmmm....
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Post by blob on Jan 24, 2004 0:02:31 GMT -5
If someone gets shot by their significant other, that might be a bit of a red flag to me.
Sorry to be so judgmental, but when a coach allegedly embarrasses team members by sharing their grades, asks about a players sexuality, tells players that they're faking injuries, and the complaint is signed by 12 players, then I might be a little leery. A little different if one player with a vendetta causes problems for a coach.
Again, it may not be the persons fault that they were shot, but it tells me that they have a history of volatile relationships, at best.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2004 0:46:49 GMT -5
So which cop is Skippy?
I think she's the good cop. But I'm just guessing.
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Post by Skippy on Jan 24, 2004 0:47:11 GMT -5
So which cop is Skippy? I think she's the good cop. But I'm just guessing. I think so too. But what do I know? |
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Post by Charlie on Jan 24, 2004 2:45:55 GMT -5
During the winter break I happened to talk to one of the NAU players. I've known her since she was in grade school.
After hearing some things from her, the only thing that will surprise me is if NAU doesn't terminate the coach. The word 'abusive' was the most pertinent mentioned in the article.
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Post by LuckyVB on Jan 24, 2004 11:25:15 GMT -5
[quote author=IdahoBoy® [Pomaika'i] link=board=general&thread=1074870840&start=20#1 date=1074907634]How come noone is playing good cop/bad cop with me?
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Maybe bacause your comments were so immature and stupid, they are not worth further comments.
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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 24, 2004 18:07:20 GMT -5
Maybe bacause your comments were so immature and stupid, they are not worth further comments. True. But tough crowd. |
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