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Post by volleyballer4life on Nov 12, 2014 17:25:20 GMT -5
Hello everyone, With the NCAA Women's Division III Championships beginning tomorrow, I thought I'd put together a list of matches/how to watch them on-line. The reality is, 99 percent of our juniors athletes are not Division I caliber, yet many have no idea how high of a level Division III Volleyball can be and feel they're above it. If you have athletes that want to play in college and have never seen a Division III match, I highly encourage you to share this with them! Division III Women's Volleyball - Why Juniors Athletes Should Consider It |
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Post by coachl on Nov 12, 2014 18:06:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the links. So, your main argument for DIII is that it's cheaper, and on the side is that you could get more playing time and that many players overlook DIII (I didn't really understand that point). I agree that players should look at all of their options carefully, but the whole less debt argument is lost on me...
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 12, 2014 19:18:15 GMT -5
Hello everyone, With the NCAA Women's Division III Championships beginning tomorrow, I thought I'd put together a list of matches/how to watch them on-line. The reality is, 99 percent of our juniors athletes are not Division I caliber, yet many have no idea how high of a level Division III Volleyball can be and feel they're above it. If you have athletes that want to play in college and have never seen a Division III match, I highly encourage you to share this with them! Division III Women's Volleyball - Why Juniors Athletes Should Consider ItIf you are the kind of player who is going to go pro in volleyball, then maybe it makes sense to pick your college based on volleyball. But in that case, you are going to get a D1 scholarship. If you are the kind of player who is definitely "going pro in something other than sports" and you can get a D1 scholarship somewhere, then the financial advantage of paying for your education with your volleyball should be carefully considered. But you wrote your essay to the players who are not going to get D1 scholarships. These kids, IMO, should not -- NOT -- be choosing their colleges based on volleyball. If you are going to spend the money and time going to college, then you should choose which college you go to based on the education you are going to get, not based on whether they will let you play volleyball for them. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 12, 2014 19:23:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the links. So, your main argument for DIII is that it's cheaper, and on the side is that you could get more playing time and that many players overlook DIII (I didn't really understand that point). I agree that players should look at all of their options carefully, but the whole less debt argument is lost on me... A lot of D3 schools are private. Not a lot of private schools are cheaper than public universities (in-state). The assumption that a D3 school is less expensive than a D1 school seems pretty unreasonable to me. I went to a D3 school, and when I went there it was the most expensive school in the country. |
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Post by coachl on Nov 12, 2014 19:33:02 GMT -5
Thanks for the links. So, your main argument for DIII is that it's cheaper, and on the side is that you could get more playing time and that many players overlook DIII (I didn't really understand that point). I agree that players should look at all of their options carefully, but the whole less debt argument is lost on me... A lot of D3 schools are private. Not a lot of private schools are cheaper than public universities (in-state). The assumption that a D3 school is less expensive than a D1 school seems pretty unreasonable to me. I went to a D3 school, and when I went there it was the most expensive school in the country. Yes, I agree, and that's why the blog article confused me... |
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Post by volleyballer4life on Nov 12, 2014 23:50:21 GMT -5
This is a common viewpoint, and I apologize for not clarifying. If you re-read it, I stated "Not saying this is how it always plays out, but a possible scenario:", because it IS possible. 'The tuition for private schools are typically higher than public schools, so it must be more expensive to attend' isn't always the case. Many people don't realize that many of these private schools have more generous academic grant/scholarship packages. For example, according to collegedata.com (a GREAT resource for kids looking to get information on schools), Stevens Institute's costs are about $60,000/year - but the average amount of debt graduates have is only about $14,000, far below the nation's average. Plus, public schools aren't ALWAYS less expensive. Using that mentality to decide not to even look at the the schools to see what they'd award you can only limit a student-athlete who is looking for the best fit that will award them the most generous package (and Division III coaches that are successful typically will be much more willing to assist the student-athlete when applying to the school to help them put their best foot forward - while there are not 'athletic scholarships', you better believe a coach handing the admissions/registrar workers an application helps them maximize the grant/scholarship package that the player is eligible for. They will have advantages over "Stealth Applicants", or people who turn in their application without speaking to a single person at the school).
That's not to say that this is always the case, but it certainly happens and it's beneficial for student-athletes to at least explore those schools as well to see what they'll be offered. An earlier quote said "The assumption that a D3 school is less expensive than a D1 school seems pretty unreasonable to me" - my advice is for student-athletes not to make assumptions and explore all their options!
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Post by psuvbfan10 on Nov 13, 2014 0:43:25 GMT -5
Thank you for the regional links!
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Post by coachl on Nov 13, 2014 7:31:08 GMT -5
This is a common viewpoint, and I apologize for not clarifying. If you re-read it, I stated "Not saying this is how it always plays out, but a possible scenario:", because it IS possible. 'The tuition for private schools are typically higher than public schools, so it must be more expensive to attend' isn't always the case. Many people don't realize that many of these private schools have more generous academic grant/scholarship packages. For example, according to collegedata.com (a GREAT resource for kids looking to get information on schools), Stevens Institute's costs are about $60,000/year - but the average amount of debt graduates have is only about $14,000, far below the nation's average. Plus, public schools aren't ALWAYS less expensive. Using that mentality to decide not to even look at the the schools to see what they'd award you can only limit a student-athlete who is looking for the best fit that will award them the most generous package (and Division III coaches that are successful typically will be much more willing to assist the student-athlete when applying to the school to help them put their best foot forward - while there are not 'athletic scholarships', you better believe a coach handing the admissions/registrar workers an application helps them maximize the grant/scholarship package that the player is eligible for. They will have advantages over "Stealth Applicants", or people who turn in their application without speaking to a single person at the school). That's not to say that this is always the case, but it certainly happens and it's beneficial for student-athletes to at least explore those schools as well to see what they'll be offered. An earlier quote said "The assumption that a D3 school is less expensive than a D1 school seems pretty unreasonable to me" - my advice is for student-athletes not to make assumptions and explore all their options! Ok, I get your message: do your research. PLEASE do not spread false information that coaches are helping players get more financial aid at DIII schools...if they are that is a major violation and I suggest you think hard about playing for a coach who does that! |
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Post by volleyballer4life on Nov 13, 2014 12:00:18 GMT -5
This is a common viewpoint, and I apologize for not clarifying. If you re-read it, I stated "Not saying this is how it always plays out, but a possible scenario:", because it IS possible. 'The tuition for private schools are typically higher than public schools, so it must be more expensive to attend' isn't always the case. Many people don't realize that many of these private schools have more generous academic grant/scholarship packages. For example, according to collegedata.com (a GREAT resource for kids looking to get information on schools), Stevens Institute's costs are about $60,000/year - but the average amount of debt graduates have is only about $14,000, far below the nation's average. Plus, public schools aren't ALWAYS less expensive. Using that mentality to decide not to even look at the the schools to see what they'd award you can only limit a student-athlete who is looking for the best fit that will award them the most generous package (and Division III coaches that are successful typically will be much more willing to assist the student-athlete when applying to the school to help them put their best foot forward - while there are not 'athletic scholarships', you better believe a coach handing the admissions/registrar workers an application helps them maximize the grant/scholarship package that the player is eligible for. They will have advantages over "Stealth Applicants", or people who turn in their application without speaking to a single person at the school). That's not to say that this is always the case, but it certainly happens and it's beneficial for student-athletes to at least explore those schools as well to see what they'll be offered. An earlier quote said "The assumption that a D3 school is less expensive than a D1 school seems pretty unreasonable to me" - my advice is for student-athletes not to make assumptions and explore all their options! Ok, I get your message: do your research. PLEASE do not spread false information that coaches are helping players get more financial aid at DIII schools...if they are that is a major violation and I suggest you think hard about playing for a coach who does that! I worded my statement carefully, and you need to read it again: Division III coaches that are successful typically will be much more willing to assist the student-athlete when applying to the school to help them put their best foot forward - while there are not 'athletic scholarships', you better believe a coach handing the admissions/registrar workers an application helps them maximize the grant/scholarship package that the player is eligible for. I am not saying the player will get money they don't deserve - I'm saying many students apply for their school without building a relationship with anyone at that school, and if they don't build a relationship with the coach, learn about the school, and construct their application with a better understanding of what the school looks for, they may not present themselves in the best manner possible, which can have an effect on the award package they receive. Student A has the same GPA/Test Scores as Student B. Student A puts an application in without contacting anyone from the school. Student B has contacted the coach and has gone back-and-forth with them, learned about the school, and has adjusted their application so that their traits that best represent what the school values is reflected. Which student do you think has a better chance of maximizing their financial award package that they are eliglble for? It is the admissions' equivalent to: Player A who emails a coach "I'm <name>, I'm a class of 2015 outside hitter and want to play volleyball - please let me know if you have any interest in me. Thanks!" Player B emails the same coach "I'm <name>, I'm a class of 2015 5'10 outside hitter with a 9'10 jump touch. I have a 3.5 GPA with a 27 ACT score. I am a 2-time captain for my high school team and have played 4 years at my club. I saw that your school has gotten a lot of recognition for your education program, which is important to me because that's what I want to study. I attended a match this fall and was extremely impressed with what I saw from your team. I would love the opportunity to join your program. I want to join a team that pushes me to be the best I can be, and would be willing to do whatever it takes to help the program reach the next level. I would love to get to know more about your program! Please let me know what the best way would be to start the application process and I will plan accordingly. Thanks, and I look forward to your reply!" Player A may be just as or even more qualified than Player B - but who do you think put their best foot forward? Utilizing a coach to gather more information on the school is completely legal - even if it's simply the coach directing you to other people that can get information for you. The more you build a relationship with a school, the better off you will be when you apply. I realize the repercussions of illegal activity, I've (painfully) taken the time to read Bylaw Article 13. I am not looking to jeopardize a student-athlete's eligibility, I'm looking to help them separate themselves from the average application. I will save you my own tangent, but I am sure any coach/admissions officer would second my opinion that the majority of applicants don't present themselves in the most efficient manner! |
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Post by tmb on Nov 14, 2014 8:16:44 GMT -5
Another note is that some d3's have deep pockets and can meet 100% of need so whatever the family EFC is, is what they pay. If they are qualified they will get out loan free. Certainly not all but some do this.
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Post by tmb on Nov 14, 2014 11:39:20 GMT -5
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Post by juniorcoach on Nov 15, 2014 19:55:55 GMT -5
As a former D3 player,married to a D3 player, and parent of both a D1 and D3 player I think I can respond here. Playing D3 takes a special person. Someone who loves the game, wants to play, and is willing to work hard for no actual monetary gain. I loved it, my daughter loved it. My husband, not so much due to coaching issues. Picking the right program is so important. When you start looking at private schools, the differences are pretty minor. Does the school offer the program you are looking for? What are the other options since so many students don't actually graduate in what they thought they were going to? Location? And yes, actual financial output. Many of the private schools will work with you to be out in 4 years as long as you don't start changing your major halfway through. When my daughter decided on her school it was between a state D3 school, less tuition and room and board in the brochure, but almost the same amount after financial aid packages came out. she was guaranteed to graduate in 4 years which meant one less year of tuition, room and board and on year sooner earning potential. Kind of a no brainer for her since volleyball opportunities were similar at both schools. When we got the package, we told the private that it wasn't enough, and they did find additional help for her based on what the package was - the same as 20 years earlier when I said the same thing - of course sending in her tape stating that she was a 5'9 setter from a ranked high school team with a 3.9 GPA and a 32 on her ACT helped her immensely.
Daughter 2 had a D3 as her back up school. Close to home, nationally ranked, great volleyball. She found her identical opportunity at a D1 down south, warm weather and a full ride. It was what she wanted and the perfect decision for her. Picking a school with volleyball in the mix is not a bad thing. Other than a few specific careers, you get out of your education what you put into it. If you add 4 year college athlete to your resume as well as good grades, you will find a job - D1 D2 or D3. For that matter NJCAA offers a start for some that need the financial assistance. Very cheap start to the first two years with some godo volleyball as well.
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Post by Voleibol!!!!!! on Nov 15, 2014 21:05:30 GMT -5
Hope vs Wittenberg going 5. In 5th set Hope jumps out to a 6-0 lead.
Carthage vs Calvin entering 3rd set at 1 set apiece.
Update: Calvin wins 15-13
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Post by coachk2 on Nov 16, 2014 11:22:41 GMT -5
I am a big fan of DIII women's college volleyball....
Was fortunate to broadcast 2010 and 2011 National Finals on NCAA.com....
Congrats to Calvin, Hope and Wisconsin-Stevens Point for reaching the Elite 8....
If you want to watch an excellent Regional Final, # 5 Emory Eagles at # 7 Wash U-St Louis Bears....
With Bill Bommarito, I'll be broadcasting at 4 pm CST today (Sunday afternoon)....
Looking forward to an epic 5 set match....
Coach K
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Post by outwest1 on Nov 23, 2014 23:16:26 GMT -5
Regarding the webcasts, anyone who may have watched the DIII version this year. How was the quality, camera work, announcer ( play by play and color). Good production and announcer similar to DI regular season webcasts ?
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