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Post by Mocha on Nov 20, 2014 23:36:59 GMT -5
This thread might as well be titled "Pac-12 Title Match."
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Post by jgrout on Nov 21, 2014 8:11:01 GMT -5
I'll just say this... it could be at Stanford. No matter how bad the match might be, at least it wouldn't be as bad as losing on Senior Night to Cal, as USC did. Stanford will have the opportunity to lose to Da Bears on their Senior Night (in Berkeley) on the 28th.
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Post by jgrout on Nov 21, 2014 8:17:38 GMT -5
A team is guaranteed to be in its own regional's bracket. As Stanford learned in 2005, and Colorado State in 2008, that doesn't mean the team will get to play in it. I believe the 2005 regional was the last one Stanford hosted.
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Post by jgrout on Nov 21, 2014 8:29:19 GMT -5
And a loss to Stanford and very likely losing the Pac-12 title would be a horrible memory for senior night.
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Post by akbar on Nov 21, 2014 8:32:31 GMT -5
So what I'm understanding from other posters is that the outcome of this match will have no effect on the PAC Title, the AVCA ranking nor seeding Can this be considered a Glorified Scrimmage?
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Post by jgrout on Nov 21, 2014 8:33:23 GMT -5
If Stanford loses to Utah or Colorado and U-Dub beats the Arizonas, then it would be for a share of the Pac-12 championship and would be more significant. If not, beating Stanford might change the color of the jersey they wear in their regional final (going from #5 to #4 national seed).
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Post by akbar on Nov 21, 2014 8:34:59 GMT -5
A team is guaranteed to be in its own regional's bracket. As Stanford learned in 2005, and Colorado State in 2008, that doesn't mean the team will get to play in it. I believe the 2005 regional was the last one Stanford hosted. Ah...corrected. this is something to play for if you can get your own regional. Wouldn't Washington get its own regardless of a win or loss?
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Post by baywatcher on Nov 21, 2014 9:36:02 GMT -5
What year did Michigan beat Stanford at Maples, when Hawaii beat Illinois and Michigan. Wasn't that 2010 at a regional? 4 and 5 losing to 12 and 13?
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Post by jgrout on Nov 21, 2014 10:43:47 GMT -5
What year did Michigan beat Stanford at Maples, when Hawaii beat Illinois and Michigan. Wasn't that 2010 at a regional? 4 and 5 losing to 12 and 13? That would be 2009. I guess I blocked it out of my memory... especially because I was rooting for both 4 and 5 and they both lost. So, I guess that means the most recent WVB regional Stanford has hosted was 2009. I think that's also the most recent Final Four appearance for Hawai'i.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Nov 21, 2014 11:11:57 GMT -5
I dont see this match impacting anything other than both teams really wanting to win. It wont change their rpi, or outcome of league. Your seed isnt all that critical, it's your draw that matters. Weve seen teams with low seeds get great draws, and teams with top seeds get brutal draws.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Nov 21, 2014 12:14:24 GMT -5
My bad on the Washington regional. UW will clearly go there. I agree with those saying this match means very little except to show how the two teams match up. It won't affect seeds or placement and may not even determine the conference champ.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 21, 2014 12:38:35 GMT -5
My bad on the Washington regional. UW will clearly go there. I agree with those saying this match means very little except to show how the two teams match up. It won't affect seeds or placement and may not even determine the conference champ. It could very well affect seeds or placement. It will be somewhat difficult for the selection committee to seed a 1-loss Stanford higher than a 2-loss Washington if Washington crushes them just a few days before the selections are announced. A close win on Washington's home court could be easily waved away, but a big margin of victory would make it more difficult to ignore. Head-to-head is one of the criteria the committee is specifically instructed to use.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 21, 2014 12:40:21 GMT -5
I dont see this match impacting anything other than both teams really wanting to win. It wont change their rpi, or outcome of league. Your seed isnt all that critical, it's your draw that matters. Weve seen teams with low seeds get great draws, and teams with top seeds get brutal draws. Yes, this is true. There is no way to know what seed will be the best draw. In theory the top seed should have the best draw, but it doesn't always happen that way.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 21, 2014 12:47:22 GMT -5
My bad on the Washington regional. UW will clearly go there. I agree with those saying this match means very little except to show how the two teams match up. It won't affect seeds or placement and may not even determine the conference champ. It could very well affect seeds or placement. It will be somewhat difficult for the selection committee to seed a 1-loss Stanford higher than a 2-loss Washington if Washington crushes them just a few days before the selections are announced. A close win on Washington's home court could be easily waved away, but a big margin of victory would make it more difficult to ignore. Head-to-head is one of the criteria the committee is specifically instructed to use. I think it'll be pretty easy to seed a 1-loss Stanford higher than a 2-loss Washington, even if UW crushes them. H2H is only one of the primary criteria and would be a factor if they were close, but I don't think they'll be that close. Stanford will still be #1 RPI (vs 4 v UW), have 3 more Top 25 and 7 more Top 50 wins, a higher SOS, have a better record outright and against common opponents, and have better losses. What that match'll do is make FSU v UW interesting for #3. The B1G will be similar, as Penn St. crushed Wisconsin, but the Badgers will still be seeded higher.
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Post by vbprisoner on Nov 21, 2014 12:53:37 GMT -5
I know this match is for bragging rights in PAC between the Volleytalk PAC fans, but if Stanford gets through the altitude matches unscathed I don't think it would be a bad outcome for them if they lost the UW match. It would take pressure off being undefeated going into the NCAA and I see that as a benefit.
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