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Post by ay2013 on Nov 23, 2014 15:47:13 GMT -5
I would agree that ASUN doesn't deserve two bids, but your last comment really shouldn't factor in. there mere fact that Lipscomb doesn't have tournament experience and other teams in consideration do, should not, in fairness, have any impact in which teams get a bid. But I don't think Lipscomb's profile deserves a spot by any measure other than raw RPI? Wins over Kansas and ILLState don't override their losses to other bubble teams, nor their 3 sub-100 losses. perhaps.
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Post by n00b on Nov 23, 2014 15:47:25 GMT -5
So you want to exclude them because they are from the ASUN? If Lipscomb has earned an at large bid based on the selection criteria, then they, like anyone else, should get it regardless of conference affiliation. Your point highlights the problem with the Committee putting so much weight in RPI. The Atlantic Sun Conference does not deserve 2 bids to the tourney. The fact that the Committee could take a pedestrian team like Lipscomb (with zero tournament experience) over teams like Purdue, Santa Clara, CSUN, San Diego, etc is disappointing. Your point highlights the fact that I'm glad you aren't on the selection committee. If you want to make an argument that Lipscomb shouldn't be in, then fine. But for that argument to be that they have zero tournament experience? Lipscomb has TWO wins better than Purdue's best win. But because Purdue was good last year, they should get in?
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 23, 2014 15:51:01 GMT -5
I would agree that ASUN doesn't deserve two bids, but your last comment really shouldn't factor in. there mere fact that Lipscomb doesn't have tournament experience and other teams in consideration do, should not, in fairness, have any impact in which teams get a bid. It doesn't factor in but that is my opinion. But how is that fair? Why should a programs previous teams have any impact on the current team? There would be no legitimate point of comparison between the teams on that fact, and it only serves to propagate the status quo.
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Post by n00b on Nov 23, 2014 15:51:01 GMT -5
I would agree that ASUN doesn't deserve two bids, but your last comment really shouldn't factor in. there mere fact that Lipscomb doesn't have tournament experience and other teams in consideration do, should not, in fairness, have any impact in which teams get a bid. But I don't think Lipscomb's profile deserves a spot by any measure other than raw RPI? Wins over Kansas and ILLState don't override their losses to other bubble teams, nor their 3 sub-100 losses. Those are definitely 3 bad losses for Lipscomb. For reference, Purdue has a loss to a sub-100 team, Santa Clara has 3, San Diego has 2 and Northridge has 1. So bad losses aren;t unique to Lipscomb among bubble teams.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 23, 2014 15:52:55 GMT -5
But I don't think Lipscomb's profile deserves a spot by any measure other than raw RPI? Wins over Kansas and ILLState don't override their losses to other bubble teams, nor their 3 sub-100 losses. Those are definitely 3 bad losses for Lipscomb. For reference, Purdue has a loss to a sub-100 team, Santa Clara has 3, San Diego has 2 and Northridge has 1. So bad losses aren;t unique to Lipscomb among bubble teams. Well, 1 sub-100 is a lot different than 3. Santa Clara does, but you have to put them above Lipscomb because their wins are a lot better.
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Post by FreeBall on Nov 23, 2014 16:19:06 GMT -5
So you want to exclude them because they are from the ASUN? If Lipscomb has earned an at large bid based on the selection criteria, then they, like anyone else, should get it regardless of conference affiliation. Your point highlights the problem with the Committee putting so much weight in RPI. The Atlantic Sun Conference does not deserve 2 bids to the tourney. The fact that the Committee could take a pedestrian team like Lipscomb (with zero tournament experience) over teams like Purdue, Santa Clara, CSUN, San Diego, etc is disappointing. How do you define "zero tournament experience"? It doesn't seem to fit a team like Lipscomb, which has been in the NCAA tournament field four times since 2007.
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Post by trollhunter on Nov 23, 2014 16:22:26 GMT -5
Comparing Lipscomb to Miami is also interesting. I think LU may be ahead of them. Historically the committee values top 50 wins more than lack of bad losses.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 23, 2014 17:05:42 GMT -5
Alabama loses to Ole Miss, with a season sweep to the Rebels. They've also got quite a thin profile (home wins over A&M and LSU, with nothing else). Interesting to compare them to, say, a Minnesota.
May also really hurt Kentucky's seeding chances. They needed either Alabama or LSU to step up as a 2nd Top 25 win. UK's lone match this week against Miss. State is going to drop them a few spots in today's RPI (despite the win) and put them in bubble seed range.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 23, 2014 17:17:47 GMT -5
I would agree that ASUN doesn't deserve two bids, but your last comment really shouldn't factor in. there mere fact that Lipscomb doesn't have tournament experience and other teams in consideration do, should not, in fairness, have any impact in which teams get a bid. But I don't think Lipscomb's profile deserves a spot by any measure other than raw RPI? Wins over Kansas and ILLState don't override their losses to other bubble teams, nor their 3 sub-100 losses. sub 100 losses can be a very poor category - there can be up to 50 point disparities in team rankings between RPI and Massey (or other rating) let's look at Purdue, they've beat Ohio State and who else? ? they lost to Western Kentucky (a good team) that Northridge beat (and on the road at that) - so why exactly should we expect Purdue to be any more competitive than Northridge (or UOP for that matter) oh, I know the reason, because they play in the big 10 - puuuuhleeeeeze!!!!
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Post by rockhopper on Nov 23, 2014 17:24:04 GMT -5
Your point highlights the problem with the Committee putting so much weight in RPI. The Atlantic Sun Conference does not deserve 2 bids to the tourney. The fact that the Committee could take a pedestrian team like Lipscomb (with zero tournament experience) over teams like Purdue, Santa Clara, CSUN, San Diego, etc is disappointing. I would agree that ASUN doesn't deserve two bids, but your last comment really shouldn't factor in. there mere fact that Lipscomb doesn't have tournament experience and other teams in consideration do, should not, in fairness, have any impact in which teams get a bid. Last time I checked, the ASUN only gets one bid. If another member of the ASUN conference earns a bid, they should get it regardless of affiliation.
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Post by vballfreak808 on Nov 23, 2014 17:53:17 GMT -5
Hofstra defeats College of Charleston for the NCAA Bid from the CAA (Colonial)
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Post by mnsports255 on Nov 23, 2014 18:40:22 GMT -5
Your point highlights the problem with the Committee putting so much weight in RPI. The Atlantic Sun Conference does not deserve 2 bids to the tourney. The fact that the Committee could take a pedestrian team like Lipscomb (with zero tournament experience) over teams like Purdue, Santa Clara, CSUN, San Diego, etc is disappointing. Your point highlights the fact that I'm glad you aren't on the selection committee. If you want to make an argument that Lipscomb shouldn't be in, then fine. But for that argument to be that they have zero tournament experience? Lipscomb has TWO wins better than Purdue's best win. But because Purdue was good last year, they should get in? There is NO way Lipscomb deserves an automatic bid. 1) They've struggled with Northern Kentucky, North Florida, and Jacksonville all year! 2) Their only nice wins this season are Kansas and Illinois State (I'd argue this wasn't that particularly impressive) 3) Put Purdue/Minnesota/Michigan State in Lipscomb's place, those teams wouldn't lose a conference match all year. 4) Put Lipscomb in the Big Ten and I bet they'd finish with 6-7 conference wins and nothing more.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 23, 2014 19:26:39 GMT -5
Your point highlights the fact that I'm glad you aren't on the selection committee. If you want to make an argument that Lipscomb shouldn't be in, then fine. But for that argument to be that they have zero tournament experience? Lipscomb has TWO wins better than Purdue's best win. But because Purdue was good last year, they should get in? There is NO way Lipscomb deserves an automatic bid. 1) They've struggled with Northern Kentucky, North Florida, and Jacksonville all year! 2) Their only nice wins this season are Kansas and Illinois State (I'd argue this wasn't that particularly impressive) 3) Put Purdue/Minnesota/Michigan State in Lipscomb's place, those teams wouldn't lose a conference match all year. 4) Put Lipscomb in the Big Ten and I bet they'd finish with 6-7 conference wins and nothing more. and we know this because Purdue lost to St. Louis, so that means they wouldn't lose to those above 3 teams? lol I always enjoy the 'put so and so in my conference and.....blah blah blah' yes, the Big 10 is tough, but also each of those teams gests a lot of bites at the proverbial 'quality win' apple, of which Purdue hasn't particularly stood out this year
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 23, 2014 19:33:23 GMT -5
TBH, I think Purdue is now behind Minnesota in the Big Ten bubble order (we'll also see based on Monday's RPI - I think people forget that it's actually THIS week's RPI - and not the final season RPI - that has a bearing on tourney selection), and may be behind Michigan St. based on what happens.
Purdue is not in a good spot. They are the biggest anti-Trojan cheerleaders this weekend.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 23, 2014 19:36:55 GMT -5
TBH, I think Purdue is now behind Minnesota in the Big Ten bubble order (we'll also see based on Monday's RPI - I think people forget that it's actually THIS week's RPI - and not the final season RPI - that has a bearing on tourney selection), and may be behind Michigan St. based on what happens. Purdue is not in a good spot. They are the biggest anti-Trojan cheerleaders this weekend. seriously, is there really any team period that is not an anti-Trojan cheerleader?? lol
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