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Post by baywatcher on Nov 24, 2014 3:56:48 GMT -5
Redbeard, looks more like what you hope will happen than think. Stanford beats Washington, so they get Penn State, while Washington gets North Carolina. Gee, thanks. If Penn State and Stanford meet in the regionals Ill cry conspiracy, or something.
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 24, 2014 8:50:27 GMT -5
Redbeard, looks more like what you hope will happen than think. Stanford beats Washington, so they get Penn State, while Washington gets North Carolina. Gee, thanks. If Penn State and Stanford meet in the regionals Ill cry conspiracy, or something. Suck it up. Wouldn't it be better than if the Cardinal had to face Michigan? |
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Post by southie on Nov 24, 2014 9:09:26 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how much respect they give to the ACC. North Carolina and Florida State had some impressive non-conference wins, IIRC. Not sure Penn State did.
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Post by bluepenquin on Nov 24, 2014 9:35:09 GMT -5
Penn st as an 8th seed would be pretty funny and really far from accurate. Who has Texas played ? Beat Nebraska in 5. I'm blanking on the other highly ranked teams.. Wisc beats two highly ranked rpi teams but goes down this week? Who has Florida st beaten? Why would an 8th seed be inaccurate? If this was seeded like Basketball, they would be the #2 seed in one of the regions and there would be no clear distinction between #5 overall and #8. Got me thinking - what would a bracket look like if this was done like Basketball. Not totally relying on RPI, split up Conference teams to play as late as possible, and no HCA. I think it would look something like this - and there would be as much complaining as there is with Basketball (always the nature of any bracket), but I don't think anyone would see Penn State as being out of place? West: 1) Stanford 4) Colorado State 5) Kansas 2) Florida 3) Nebraska East: 1) Washington 4) Kentucky 5) Duke 2) Penn State 3) Arizona Midwest: 1) Wisconsin 4) BYU 5) UCLA 2) North Carolina 3) Oregon South: 1) Texas 4) Colorado 5) Texas A&M 2) Florida State 3) Illinois |
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Post by wiscvball on Nov 24, 2014 9:42:50 GMT -5
Penn st as an 8th seed would be pretty funny and really far from accurate. Who has Texas played ? Beat Nebraska in 5. I'm blanking on the other highly ranked teams.. Wisc beats two highly ranked rpi teams but goes down this week? Who has Florida st beaten? Why would an 8th seed be inaccurate? If this was seeded like Basketball, they would be the #2 seed in one of the regions and there would be no clear distinction between #5 overall and #8. Got me thinking - what would a bracket look like if this was done like Basketball. Not totally relying on RPI, split up Conference teams to play as late as possible, and no HCA. I think it would look something like this - and there would be as much complaining as there is with Basketball (always the nature of any bracket), but I don't think anyone would see Penn State as being out of place? West: 1) Stanford 4) Colorado State 5) Kansas 2) Florida 3) Nebraska East: 1) Washington 4) Kentucky 5) Duke 2) Penn State 3) Arizona Midwest: 1) Wisconsin 4) BYU 5) UCLA 2) North Carolina 3) Oregon South: 1) Texas 4) Colorado 5) Texas A&M 2) Florida State 3) Illinois I think your 1's and 2's are pretty accurate - might switch around FSU and North Carolina, but I think that's how it will end up. If Texas & Stanford win their matches this week, I think you'll see a 1-8 of: Stanford Texas Wisconsin Penn State Washington Florida State North Carolina Florida If Florida wins, I think you move them up behind Washington to the #6. If Washington wins, I think you swap them with PSU - which it doesn't really matter who the #4 and #5 are since they meet in the regional final if the brackets play out. Also, if Wisc loses to Purdue, they'll drop to the 2 line and PSU/Wash will both be #1's. This bracket would have the potential for some intriguing matchups if the seeds hold - a PSU/Wash rematch in Seattle for the right to go to the F4. And a F4 re-match of Texas & Wisconsin. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 24, 2014 9:51:30 GMT -5
The issue with Penn State is that they are the #1 team in pablo. So even though they are likely to end up as not being a top regional seed, they are the team right now that everybody else would most like to avoid.
As a fan, though, I would like to see them in the Seattle regional. Purely because that means I would get to see them live. And also, I think that is where the Huskies would be most likely to be able to beat them -- in Hec Ed.
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Post by kubricks on Nov 24, 2014 9:53:23 GMT -5
No way can Florida State be ahead of North Carolina. North Carolina is the ACC CHAMPION, Florida State is not.
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Post by southie on Nov 24, 2014 10:01:15 GMT -5
No way can Florida State be ahead of North Carolina. North Carolina is the ACC CHAMPION, Florida State is not. I forget all the specifics of Mizzou and Florida last season, but I thought Florida had the higher RPI, but Mizzou beat them twice and was the SEC Champ. Mizzou was awarded the #4 national seed, and Florida the #5 seed. So, conference champions were "rewarded". Or, am I misremembering? |
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Post by akbar on Nov 24, 2014 10:09:56 GMT -5
Penn st as an 8th seed would be pretty funny and really far from accurate. Who has Texas played ? Beat Nebraska in 5. I'm blanking on the other highly ranked teams.. Wisc beats two highly ranked rpi teams but goes down this week? Who has Florida st beaten? well it depends on which criteria you are using. If you are going by RPI, which is what matters, currently, Texas has played 11 highly ranked rpi teams and have won 10 of them, FSU has played 10 and won 8...PSU has played 6 and won 3. For the NCAA primary criteria, PSU as an 8 seed is pretty darn accurate. whether or not they are the 8th best team (they aren't) is moot. Do the top 25 wins take into account when your win was. For example Stanford defeat Team D in week 6 when Team D was #5 and Washington defeats Team D in week 12 when Team D was #31. Same team same lineups but reality finally set in. |
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Post by akbar on Nov 24, 2014 10:10:50 GMT -5
No way can Florida State be ahead of North Carolina. North Carolina is the ACC CHAMPION, Florida State is not. This is why the human factor must intercede. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 24, 2014 10:52:51 GMT -5
No way can Florida State be ahead of North Carolina. North Carolina is the ACC CHAMPION, Florida State is not. Eh, they split the season and FSU did a bit more in the non-conference. Conference title not that meaningful. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 24, 2014 10:53:19 GMT -5
No way can Florida State be ahead of North Carolina. North Carolina is the ACC CHAMPION, Florida State is not. I forget all the specifics of Mizzou and Florida last season, but I thought Florida had the higher RPI, but Mizzou beat them twice and was the SEC Champ. Mizzou was awarded the #4 national seed, and Florida the #5 seed. So, conference champions were "rewarded". Or, am I misremembering? It wasn't rewarding the conference title; it was rewarding the H2H. |
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Post by ugopher on Nov 24, 2014 10:55:31 GMT -5
[quote author=" bluepenquin" source="/post/1226175/thread" timestamp="1416794207 My seeds would be @ Lousiville 1 Stanford 16 Kentucky 8 Florida 9 Colorado State @ Seattle 5 North Carolina 12 Oregon 13 Kansas 4 Washington @ Minneapolis 3 Florida State 14 Arizona 11 Nebraska 6 Wisconsin @ Ames 7 Penn State 10 Illinois 15 Iowa State 2 Texas [/quote] As someone who will be attending the Minneapolis regional and, if the Gophers are not in the regionals, I like the Mpls regional although I think WI and FSU should switched. FSU may have a slightly higher RPI but WI will have won their conference. Which should count for something. |
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Post by ay2013 on Nov 24, 2014 11:29:40 GMT -5
[quote author=" bluepenquin" source="/post/1226175/thread" timestamp="1416794207 My seeds would be @ Lousiville 1 Stanford 16 Kentucky 8 Florida 9 Colorado State @ Seattle 5 North Carolina 12 Oregon 13 Kansas 4 Washington @ Minneapolis 3 Florida State 14 Arizona 11 Nebraska 6 Wisconsin @ Ames 7 Penn State 10 Illinois 15 Iowa State 2 Texas As someone who will be attending the Minneapolis regional and, if the Gophers are not in the regionals, I like the Mpls regional although I think WI and FSU should switched. FSU may have a slightly higher RPI but WI will have won their conference. Which should count for something.[/quote] Why? Winning your conference means you are in the tournament, it has no bearing on seeding. Obviously I think Wisconsin is better than FSU but that's not a criteria. If the season ended today and Wisconsin was given a seed above FSU, the committee is NOT doing their job, period. The primary criteria is set and there is pretty much nothing in the primary criteria that justifies Wisconsin getting a higher seed than FSU. 3 years ago when the Pac 12 was in rpi hell there were 3 big 10 teams, 2 big 12 teams and UNI seeded ABOVE the PAC-12 champion. You think these rules and criteria should now not be applied to Wisconsin and the big 10? |
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Post by ugopher on Nov 24, 2014 11:40:55 GMT -5
My seeds would be @ Lousiville 1 Stanford 16 Kentucky 8 Florida 9 Colorado State @ Seattle 5 North Carolina 12 Oregon 13 Kansas 4 Washington @ Minneapolis 3 Florida State 14 Arizona 11 Nebraska 6 Wisconsin @ Ames 7 Penn State 10 Illinois 15 Iowa State 2 Texas As someone who will be attending the Minneapolis regional and, if the Gophers are not in the regionals, I like the Mpls regional although I think WI and FSU should switched. FSU may have a slightly higher RPI but WI will have won their conference. Which should count for something. Why? Winning your conference means you are in the tournament, it has no bearing on seeding. Obviously I think Wisconsin is better than FSU but that's not a criteria. If the season ended today and Wisconsin was given a seed above FSU, the committee is NOT doing their job, period. The primary criteria is set and there is pretty much nothing in the primary criteria that justifies Wisconsin getting a higher seed than FSU. 3 years ago when the Pac 12 was in rpi hell there were 3 big 10 teams, 2 big 12 teams and UNI seeded ABOVE the PAC-12 champion. You think these rules and criteria should now not be applied to Wisconsin and the big 10? [/quote] I don't feel they should change now but it should be a factor. Not saying that all conference champions should be seeded but it should be a factor when RPIs are close. |
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