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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 25, 2014 14:15:27 GMT -5
I will point out that all hypotheticals are premature before the weekend is over.
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Post by ugopher on Nov 25, 2014 14:15:43 GMT -5
St. Louis wouldn't make sense as it isn't in B1G territory. Not sure a neutral site would work originally. I would prefer any tournament be held at a city with a connection to a B1G school. Tournament wouldn't need to be held on campus but rather at a venue of choice for the host school. Would I go see a 2 day tournament featuring Wisconsin, PSU, Illinois, and Nebraska in Mpls? Absolutely. You would go see that, and so would I. Would 5,000 people go per night? No they would not. We'll likely find out at the regionals. Strong probability MN won't be involved. I hope the MN volleyball fans will still turn out.
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Post by baywatcher on Nov 25, 2014 14:20:58 GMT -5
Enjoy that Cook will speak what is on his mind. Wonder how Divisions would affect travel partners and schedule. Dumbest thing in PAC is travel to Arizona to play Wednesday, then stay or return for Sunday morning.
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Post by baywatcher on Nov 25, 2014 14:23:11 GMT -5
I will add that I assume the Big Ten does similar inanities.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 25, 2014 14:26:14 GMT -5
Why yes...yes they do.
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Post by ultrabadger on Nov 25, 2014 14:27:14 GMT -5
I find the idea of a conference tournament interesting. My primary concern would be how they set the pools for the rest of the conference season. East vs. West? Ultimately the rude but real question is who gets stuck playing Maryland and Rutgers twice. That would be an RPI killer. Still, I'll see what they come up with.
Now, if you'll allow me a moment...
God. Whatever tiny shred of respect I had for Cook is gone. Nebraska lost at home to the Buckeyes and the Illini, the Devaney advantage didn't seem to help there. And they lost to MI on the road, hardly a terribly hostile environment. The only team that even has a shred of cause to gripe would be PSU, but Rose knows better. He knows that if you truly are the best, you need to be able to beat any team no matter whether you're playing in your place or theirs. Sure PSU beat WI in the season opener, but then fell to IL in Happy Valley, a team WI has beaten twice, and NE, a team WI also beat. Rose would probably agree with me that PSU doesn't deserve an outright conference title this year because they couldn't come up with those wins. Finally, the door swings both ways, sure WI didn't have to play PSU twice, but that also means PSU didn't have to play WI twice. In theory this gave them an "easier" schedule, one on which they should have been able to capitalize. Same for NE.
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Post by NebraskaVBfan93 on Nov 25, 2014 14:57:38 GMT -5
With B1G Football/Basketball championships held in Indianapolis, IN would volleyball go neutral site and play there as well? If they don't want any fans to attend, that would be a great idea.
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Post by recleague on Nov 25, 2014 15:02:00 GMT -5
With B1G Football/Basketball championships held in Indianapolis, IN would volleyball go neutral site and play there as well? If they don't want any fans to attend, that would be a great idea. Nebraska would still have the highest percentage of fans.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Nov 25, 2014 15:25:56 GMT -5
I find the idea of a conference tournament interesting. My primary concern would be how they set the pools for the rest of the conference season. East vs. West? Ultimately the rude but real question is who gets stuck playing Maryland and Rutgers twice. That would be an RPI killer. Still, I'll see what they come up with. Now, if you'll allow me a moment... God. Whatever tiny shred of respect I had for Cook is gone. Nebraska lost at home to the Buckeyes and the Illini, the Devaney advantage didn't seem to help there. And they lost to MI on the road, hardly a terribly hostile environment. The only team that even has a shred of cause to gripe would be PSU, but Rose knows better. He knows that if you truly are the best, you need to be able to beat any team no matter whether you're playing in your place or theirs. Sure PSU beat WI in the season opener, but then fell to IL in Happy Valley, a team WI has beaten twice, and NE, a team WI also beat. Rose would probably agree with me that PSU doesn't deserve an outright conference title this year because they couldn't come up with those wins. Finally, the door swings both ways, sure WI didn't have to play PSU twice, but that also means PSU didn't have to play WI twice. In theory this gave them an "easier" schedule, one on which they should have been able to capitalize. Same for NE. As I said, I am certain Cook would like to phrase the point he was trying to make differently. As for Rose, he like all coaches, including Wisconsin do not feel the current schedule is the best way to determine the conference champion, primarily because it isn't.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Nov 25, 2014 15:28:04 GMT -5
You would go see that, and so would I. Would 5,000 people go per night? No they would not. We'll likely find out at the regionals. Strong probability MN won't be involved. I hope the MN volleyball fans will still turn out. Why Cook mentioned Minnesota as well. They will support it as well as anyone who doesn't have a home team playing. Financially it would be irresponsible to not play the match at one of the two participating teams gyms. The question would be, would the profits go to host institution or to conference? IMO it should go to conference as it is a conference event, not a home match.
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Post by tomclen on Nov 25, 2014 15:34:31 GMT -5
The writer who wrote the original story linked by the OP, now admits he misquoted coach in the article. He has now posted the actual comments:
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Post by ugopher on Nov 25, 2014 15:35:31 GMT -5
We'll likely find out at the regionals. Strong probability MN won't be involved. I hope the MN volleyball fans will still turn out. Why Cook mentioned Minnesota as well. They will support it as well as anyone who doesn't have a home team playing. Financially it would be irresponsible to not play the match at one of the two participating teams gyms. The question would be, would the profits go to host institution or to conference? IMO it should go to conference as it is a conference event, not a home match. I believe that MN fans would turn out for a B1G tourney and will turn out for the regional. But, we haven't held an event where MN hasn't been playing. So, we will see. A strong turn out would be beneficial for potentially hosting the championships here again someday.
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Post by canda on Nov 25, 2014 15:58:05 GMT -5
Cut the season short by four games, and then talk about a tournament. Or cut the season by two games, and have a playoff of the top four teams.
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Post by Phillytom on Nov 25, 2014 16:10:18 GMT -5
The single-game championship (matching division champions) seems a pretty good compromise. It would solve the problem of this year -- where Wisky wins the championship by fluke of schedule (not that Wisky isn't deserving, but ...) It would sort of solve the unbalanced schedule problem. It would be more fair to Penn State which will have to play FOUR freaking games against Rutgers and Maryland year after year. It would make money for the B1G, it would be good for fan interest. Some years it would allow an underdog to win the league championship in an upset.
And it would provide one more great experience match for two B1G teams going into the NCAA tournament. Either winning or losing a match like that can help a team in the tournament -- by providing a boost of confidence or by providing a wake-up call....
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Post by oldmanvb on Nov 25, 2014 16:13:26 GMT -5
Schedule the first 12 matches of the league season using some system that is just as flawed as the current schedule. That will leave the last six matches for home and away between the top four teams. Accept the fact that the 5th and 6th place teams will scream that they should have been included. Using some form of flawed ranking system, such as the RPI, schedule the balance of the season so that the bottom teams play each other and the middle teams play each other. It would certainly increase attendance at the better schools and no one goes to watch the bottom teams play regardless.
How about using the English Premier League model and create an upper and lower division, with the worst team in the upper division moving down and the top team in the lower division moving up each year.
Since I don’t post very often, and I can’t trust people I don’t know to recognize my peculiar form of sarcasm, let me say that this is sarcasm. Once the decision was made to expand the size of the league, there was not going to be a schedule that would satisfy all of the hindsight criticisms made by coaches or fans whose teams did not win the league. I will keep to myself my opinion of this sort of hindsight criticism.
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