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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 22:24:30 GMT -5
What is Hugh's record at Minnesota? Was he worth it? 74-27.
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Post by sulo on Nov 26, 2014 23:02:39 GMT -5
Gophergal, while I respect your opinion, I really hope we are well beyond moral victories and look at reality.Of course they play hard and don't give up because if they did I trust they wouldn't be on the court. No this was another victory that slipped away and I'm not sure they can overcome the cummulative effect of all the lossees and get a bid.
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Post by gogophers on Nov 26, 2014 23:53:01 GMT -5
What is Hugh's record at Minnesota? Was he worth it? No question, a large part of this is the recruiting years between the coaching transition. The team is playing with no seniors and only 1 junior (Santana). I expect he knows what he needs to compete in the B1G next year and will do his best to right the ship. No doubt having only 1 player who gets significant playing time out of a combined two years of recruits is a large part of it. Even so, Minn has quite a few top 50 recruits. True, they are young and it often takes a few years for players to reach their potential. Even so, does this team play as well as their recruiting rankings would suggest? It doesn't seem that way.
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Post by gogophers on Nov 27, 2014 0:06:47 GMT -5
Gophers were 2-8 on the road this year and Maryland, in 5, was one of those wins. That's not going to cut it. win-loss is all that matters for rpi purposes, but it doesn't speak well for the team's road play that 6 of the 8 losses were sweeps.
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Post by pogoball on Nov 27, 2014 1:15:21 GMT -5
No question, a large part of this is the recruiting years between the coaching transition. The team is playing with no seniors and only 1 junior (Santana). I expect he knows what he needs to compete in the B1G next year and will do his best to right the ship. No doubt having only 1 player who gets significant playing time out of a combined two years of recruits is a large part of it. Even so, Minn has quite a few top 50 recruits. True, they are young and it often takes a few years for players to reach their potential. Even so, does this team play as well as their recruiting rankings would suggest? It doesn't seem that way. They are currently in 8th place in the B1G. If you ranked their recruiting classes for the last four years, I would guess that it would be ranked around 8th, maybe lower. I'm not a recruiting guru, but it seems to me that even for the last two years, they would be behind Penn State, Wisconsin, Purdue, Nebraska & MSU, who all have had impressive classes. Maybe even Illinois, Michigan & Ohio St. I don't follow as closely as some, but it seems like Hugh is doing more with less.
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Post by bucky415 on Nov 27, 2014 3:30:32 GMT -5
Also, while those coaching changes may not benefit them long term (Sheffield has Wisconsin going well and I think Iowa will improve under Shymansky), the Gophers would be in worse shape if they wouldn't have been able to get Wilhite and Goehner as a result of them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 4:28:08 GMT -5
Sheffield has done a tremendous job with 2015 and 2017 classes. While Wisconsin loses Dom Thompson, Ellen chapman and Courtney Thomas His 2015 class maybe ranked #1...with 2 top ten senior aces coming on Badgers may actually be better by end of year then this current team. Argueably their 2 best players are back carlini and Morey the libero. Had in #8 senior ace outside hitter, and possibly the best middle in tionna Williams. And freshman amber MacDonald will be an awesome defense specialist.
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Post by ggopher on Nov 27, 2014 7:10:16 GMT -5
I still think that when Santana hits a good hitting %, they win. It all seems to depend on if she can produce. .093 is not going to do it.
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Post by alpacaone on Nov 27, 2014 7:29:50 GMT -5
Two 5 set PTW wins yesterday that I would be happy to have lost. I feel for you Gopher Ladies. Keep hitting them were they ain't! In all faIrness this was a schedule that gave Minnesota a hard time getting on track. An upset could have helped, but still, they weren't thrown the long string of bottom team matches that other teams recieved, it didn't hurt Wisky, however, we all knew Minny would not be a contender this season.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Nov 27, 2014 10:04:54 GMT -5
we all knew Minny would not be a contender this season. I don't know that "we all" knew that, especially at the beginning of the season. At the beginning of the season, it looked like Minny finally had their passing under control with Rosado and Goehner, and the weak link would be setting, which would still be okay enough to get them through. On paper, the lineup they were offering at the beginning of the year looked formidable. But it took Rosado time to adjust to college play, and everything else just never gelled. I remember the same issues with Wisconsin, the petering away of late set leads and the late-November lineup shuffling. It's really hard. I hope for the Gophers' sake that SSS makes the adjustment to college play in the spring so she can hit the ground running in the fall. You're returning most of your players. I think they can get it together.
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Post by alpacaone on Nov 27, 2014 10:21:35 GMT -5
we all knew Minny would not be a contender this season. I don't know that "we all" knew that, especially at the beginning of the season. At the beginning of the season, it looked like Minny finally had their passing under control with Rosado and Goehner, and the weak link would be setting, which would still be okay enough to get them through. On paper, the lineup they were offering at the beginning of the year looked formidable. But it took Rosado time to adjust to college play, and everything else just never gelled. I remember the same issues with Wisconsin, the petering away of late set leads and the late-November lineup shuffling. It's really hard. I hope for the Gophers' sake that SSS makes the adjustment to college play in the spring so she can hit the ground running in the fall. You're returning most of your players. I think they can get it together. Honestly? They were second and third in B1G play with Harms, Dixon, Wittman. The bar never falls far in the conference; one would have to of been very hopeful for anything better than 11-9.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 10:29:24 GMT -5
The problem was always going to be the offense. Their only chance was for their defense and ball control to compensate for the drop off. Blocking was pretty good, but otherwise it didn't happen.
Unfortunately, that's the same issue next year. But you have to think the ball control (including setting) will be take a step forward -- and that some of the hitters will mature to the point they are more effective.
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Post by JHAM on Nov 27, 2014 10:35:30 GMT -5
Yes hopefully the team matures in the off-season and is more competitive in 2015. They will be competing in Japan in March with SSS on the roster so hopefully that will give them some more time to work things out. I'm not sold on Goehner being the answer as OH - hopefully MN can get a transfer to add more power in the hitting department.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 11:01:05 GMT -5
It'll work if they get something near Busse- or Harms-level offense from the opposite(s).
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Post by moody on Nov 27, 2014 11:09:22 GMT -5
It'll work if they get something near Busse- or Harms-level offense from the opposite(s). So all Minnesota needs is a couple of All American transfers and they are off and running?
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