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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Nov 28, 2014 6:13:39 GMT -5
My question is not for those players whose attitude went south once they lost their starting role. I am talking about players who have been successful throughout their club, high school, college careers and still have a toxic influence on their teammates?
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Post by maplespear on Nov 28, 2014 7:47:03 GMT -5
"Every man's happiness is his own responsibility.”
― Abraham Lincoln
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Post by oldman on Nov 28, 2014 9:02:25 GMT -5
My question is not for those players whose attitude went south once they lost their starting role. I am talking about players who have been successful throughout their club, high school, college careers and still have a toxic influence on their teammates? Had athletes like this a couple of times in my career. One time she brought the entire team down. The second time the team had more success so I guess I got though a little to the player but her attitude still s*****. |
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 28, 2014 9:30:29 GMT -5
you have to apply the Ludovico technique, I think.  |
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Post by jiml on Nov 28, 2014 9:49:32 GMT -5
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 28, 2014 10:26:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so extreme. It's a question of what attitude problem you are talking about, and what you expect to achieve given that. Chapman's case was really one of motivation and interest. Everyone seems to like her, and she is a good team mate. She's just easy going and she is coached specifically to address the challenges that poses.
A teammate who routinely undercuts her teammates or who makes alliances and splits the team, that's a harder nut to crack.
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Post by Wolfgang on Nov 28, 2014 10:40:33 GMT -5
Love is the answer. They're not getting enough at home or with "friends." Show that you care. Wasn't this the message in Star Trek: The Motion Picture where, in the end, love was indeed the answer? Of course, none of this advice worked for me. We usually ended up name-calling each other, like "arsewipe" and "f***ing d-bag."
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Post by BitterOldDude on Nov 28, 2014 11:13:44 GMT -5
No.
If you didn't understand that, let me say it another way.
Never.
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Post by ggopher on Nov 28, 2014 11:18:15 GMT -5
The problem with the Ludovico treatment is that players puke on the floor after getting a kill.
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Post by jayj79 on Nov 28, 2014 14:30:50 GMT -5
The problem with the Ludovico treatment is that players puke on the floor after getting a kill. isn't that what the speedwiper kids are for? |
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Post by rogero1 on Nov 28, 2014 14:47:56 GMT -5
When I used to recruit or at club tryouts, I looked for players with a good attitude (besides the other positive volleyball attributes). Unless the player drinks your kool-aid and buys into you 100%, that player becomes a cancer on your team which must be removed. We would talk to that player about one last chance and if they did not mend their attitude and support their team, they were gone.
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Post by volleyfan24 on Nov 28, 2014 15:04:58 GMT -5
Maybe we should ask Jane Croson I would think sometimes but the majority of the time the answer is no.
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Post by hammer on Nov 28, 2014 15:11:52 GMT -5
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Post by Wiswell on Nov 28, 2014 15:17:45 GMT -5
Absolutely. Sometimes poor attitude is the result of poor interaction. Just like if you get a new boss at work you moght feel better.
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Post by junior1 on Nov 28, 2014 15:23:06 GMT -5
Of course, sometimes anything is possible. Sometimes just getting an athlete away from her junior influences, parents and friends is a pretty powerful opportunity for positive change. However, I remember being a young coach and thinking, "Hey, if this or that were done, I'm sure I could get a better result." But my oh my was I foolish, the problems that were there for others were still there. & yes, with a few young ladies, good stuff happened, but learned behavior is learned behavior and boy an outsider (a coach) really doesn't have as much influence as the athlete does on herself.
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