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Post by kukae on Dec 4, 2014 1:19:44 GMT -5
When looking at serve ace/error ratio, here is the way I see it. If the other team's side-out percentage is about 67%, that means an average service team would score 1 point for every 2 they lost. To me, it doesn't matter whether the lost point is from a side-out or from a service error. So if the ace/error ratio is better than 1/2, that server is doing well, and better than the average for when the serve gets passed. If the opposing team is even better and has a side-out ratio of 75%, then serving better than 1/3 is good. I may be wrong in my thinking about this, but it makes sense to me. Even Al Scates said that if the server was a tough server, he would gladly take a 1/2 ratio. That makes perfect sense to me. Of course, when I first started following volleyball, I thought that every service error was a point thrown away... I think the probably the best stat that would measure the effectiveness of a server is the opposing team's sideout percentage during their serve (lower is better). While it isn't an official stat, I would bet that coaches keep this stat for their players and also make it part of the scouting of the opposing team. This stat takes into account aces, errors and tough serve receive.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 4, 2014 1:22:55 GMT -5
That makes perfect sense to me. Of course, when I first started following volleyball, I thought that every service error was a point thrown away... I think the probably the best stat that would measure the effectiveness of a server is the opposing team's sideout percentage during their serve (lower is better). While it isn't an official stat, I would bet that coaches keep this stat for their players and also make it part of the scouting of the opposing team. This stat takes into account aces, errors and tough serve receive. Yes, well, how many serves a player gets is basically the same thing. After all, every time your opponent does not side out, the server gets another serve.
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Post by timduckforlife on Dec 4, 2014 1:24:20 GMT -5
That makes perfect sense to me. Of course, when I first started following volleyball, I thought that every service error was a point thrown away... I think the probably the best stat that would measure the effectiveness of a server is the opposing team's sideout percentage during their serve (lower is better). While it isn't an official stat, I would bet that coaches keep this stat for their players and also make it part of the scouting of the opposing team. This stat takes into account aces, errors and tough serve receive. I'd also like to see a serve stat shows it's effectiveness for getting a team out of system
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 4, 2014 1:37:20 GMT -5
I think the probably the best stat that would measure the effectiveness of a server is the opposing team's sideout percentage during their serve (lower is better). While it isn't an official stat, I would bet that coaches keep this stat for their players and also make it part of the scouting of the opposing team. This stat takes into account aces, errors and tough serve receive. I'd also like to see a serve stat shows it's effectiveness for getting a team out of system Yes, well, every team keeps that stat. They just don't put it in the box score. It's just the traditional 3-2-1-0 service score.
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Post by timduckforlife on Dec 4, 2014 1:56:31 GMT -5
I'd also like to see a serve stat shows it's effectiveness for getting a team out of system Yes, well, every team keeps that stat. They just don't put it in the box score. It's just the traditional 3-2-1-0 service score. yup, I know, and realistically things like that are the key to good servers, and those stats aren't available to the average joe fan.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 4, 2014 1:58:42 GMT -5
Yes, well, every team keeps that stat. They just don't put it in the box score. It's just the traditional 3-2-1-0 service score. yup, I know, and realistically things like that are the key to good servers, and those stats aren't available to the average joe fan. Nothing keeps you from sitting in the stands and charting it.
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Post by kukae on Dec 4, 2014 2:01:44 GMT -5
I'd also like to see a serve stat shows it's effectiveness for getting a team out of system Yes, well, every team keeps that stat. They just don't put it in the box score. It's just the traditional 3-2-1-0 service score. OK, so I did this for Strickland for two matches. Strickland SO% Team SO% A/E v. Stanford .455 .67 4/4
v. Arizona .500 .7 1/2 So, this says she was much more effective than her team overall during serve, and her A/E doesn't reflect that well.
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Post by timduckforlife on Dec 4, 2014 2:07:43 GMT -5
Yes, well, every team keeps that stat. They just don't put it in the box score. It's just the traditional 3-2-1-0 service score. OK, so I did this for Strickland for two matches. Strickland SO% Team SO% A/E v. Stanford .455 .67 4/4
v. Arizona .500 .7 1/2 So, this says she was much more effective than her team overall during serve, and her A/E doesn't reflect that well. exactly, and that's a much more effective stat than a/e, aces per set, or even server accuracy.
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