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Post by jgrout on Dec 16, 2014 19:55:17 GMT -5
Agree with whomever said it seems like there is more pressure on Stanford to win Years ago, I asked Don Shaw how he motivated his teams to play in pressure matches like this one. He gave me a totally unexpected answer: he said it was to recruit players who wanted to be in them, and win, so much that they would be motivated to do what it took to get there and to prevail once they got there. I think Stanford and Penn State have quite a few players at that level of motivation... enough that claims about Stanford being under more pressure don't mean anything.
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Post by jgrout on Dec 16, 2014 19:56:03 GMT -5
I said before that Stanford freshman class is running out of time. If they dont win in this year they got one chance left. Pardon my frankness, but you are a poster child for the spurious lack of reasoning that dominates this thread. Fortunately for you, RR and his staff are a hell of a lot smarter than you are.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 16, 2014 19:58:39 GMT -5
Lack of reasoning. I've seen teams completely fall apart to the pressure. Case in point Washington last year.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 16, 2014 20:00:23 GMT -5
Say what u will but pressure plays a part in all sports causing a team to play tight or if they crave the spotlight loose and better. So pressure is a factor
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Post by nik12 on Dec 16, 2014 20:05:13 GMT -5
This Stanford team strikes me as pretty steady. Don't expect the pressure will get to them.
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Post by hardbop on Dec 16, 2014 20:30:12 GMT -5
For what it's worth...Karch has picked PSU to win its 7th NC over Texas in five. His analysis is at the VB site on espn.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 20:41:13 GMT -5
I said before that Stanford freshman class is running out of time. If they dont win in this year they got one chance left. Pardon my frankness, but you are a poster child for the spurious lack of reasoning that dominates this thread. Fortunately for you, RR and his staff are a hell of a lot smarter than you are. Pardon my frankness, but I don't think your use of the word "spurious" in the phrase "spurious lack of reasoning" adds the meaning you intend. In fact, it's a somewhat spurious use of the word spurious.
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Post by volleyfan24 on Dec 16, 2014 21:23:57 GMT -5
Say what u will but pressure plays a part in all sports causing a team to play tight or if they crave the spotlight loose and better. So pressure is a factor One could argue the pressure largely got to Frantti and Russ got really lucky he had Simone Lee waiting in the wings. What makes you think pressure goes one way? Whose to say PSU seniors won't feel pressure playing in what is their last Final Four or their Freshmen playing in their first? This isn't Stanford's players senior year yet. I think a lot of factors will decide this match but I don't think pressure of the moment is going to be one of them. I could be wrong but I don't think so.
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Post by tclenpsu1 on Dec 16, 2014 21:52:52 GMT -5
For what it's worth...Karch has picked PSU to win its 7th NC over Texas in five. His analysis is at the VB site on espn. What does he know? Unless Kykukyku says so, there is no chance
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Post by hardbop on Dec 16, 2014 22:04:20 GMT -5
Say what u will but pressure plays a part in all sports causing a team to play tight or if they crave the spotlight loose and better. So pressure is a factor One could argue the pressure largely got to Frantti and Russ got really lucky he had Simone Lee waiting in the wings. What makes you think pressure goes one way? Whose to say PSU seniors won't feel pressure playing in what is their last Final Four or their Freshmen playing in their first? This isn't Stanford's players senior year yet. I think a lot of factors will decide this match but I don't think pressure of the moment is going to be one of them. I could be wrong but I don't think so. That's just the thing. Until the whistle blows we won't know. But maybe we'll notice one of the teams will seem "tight" and a hitter who normally bangs away starts being tentative after being blocked once or twice. A SE or an unforced HE by one player is mirrored by her teammate. It starts to snowball. A player or team once brimming with confidence starts to doubt. The fans of the losing team will fill the thread with comments about this being an aberration, not reflective of the team's ability or previous record. Any team is capable of the "inexplicable" but the elite teams are much less likely. Much less likely but not immune. Look at UW last year. Who would have ever predicted that collapse given the quality of that team. It must have seemed unthinkable to their fans. But it happens. It has nothing to do with X's and O's or PrepVolleyball player ratings or even match ups. From my POV Stanford and PSU are pretty equal if you sort through all the metrics and all the intangibles that favor teams with their experience, storied history and HOF coaching. Hopefully they will both play at the highest level and we will be treated to an amazing match. But when teams are that well matched it will be maybe lapses for a few crucial points or a set that may decide the outcome. [Hopefully it won't be officiating]. We'll then ad hoc come up with many pages of explanations involving the pressure of finals week, the MH1 has a bad cold, they're not used to that brand of volleyball etc etc. Sometimes it just happens. The psyche is resilient and it is fragile even in the best of us.
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Post by kc8413 on Dec 16, 2014 22:30:50 GMT -5
what time is this match?
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Post by austintatious on Dec 16, 2014 22:36:26 GMT -5
Say what u will but pressure plays a part in all sports causing a team to play tight or if they crave the spotlight loose and better. So pressure is a factor One could argue the pressure largely got to Frantti and Russ got really lucky he had Simone Lee waiting in the wings. What makes you think pressure goes one way? Whose to say PSU seniors won't feel pressure playing in what is their last Final Four or their Freshmen playing in their first? This isn't Stanford's players senior year yet. I think a lot of factors will decide this match but I don't think pressure of the moment is going to be one of them. I could be wrong but I don't think so. The pressure may have gotten to Franti or she may have run into matchup issues. Lets say she fell to the pressure. I will not concede that Russ "got lucky" he had Lee in the wings. "Luck is the residue of design" said Branch Rickey. If Russ got lucky it is because he followed Big Daddy's comments in an earlier post above, he recruited players that wanted to be there. Luck, no I don't think so.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 16, 2014 23:04:09 GMT -5
Say what u will but pressure plays a part in all sports causing a team to play tight or if they crave the spotlight loose and better. So pressure is a factor One could argue the pressure largely got to Frantti and Russ got really lucky he had Simone Lee waiting in the wings. What makes you think pressure goes one way? Whose to say PSU seniors won't feel pressure playing in what is their last Final Four or their Freshmen playing in their first? This isn't Stanford's players senior year yet. I think a lot of factors will decide this match but I don't think pressure of the moment is going to be one of them. I could be wrong but I don't think so. I didn't say psu couldn't experience pressure. I was responding to an above post claiming pressure doesn't matter
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Post by psumaui on Dec 16, 2014 23:19:00 GMT -5
I will say one thing about Russ is that he is a master at game-planing and out-coaching opposing teams in these high level matches and doing his scouting to expose the weaknesses of their opponents. It all depends on if his team is able to follow that game plan. If they are, then I see #7 for Penn State.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 16, 2014 23:37:01 GMT -5
I will say one thing about Russ is that he is a master at game-planing and out-coaching opposing teams in these high level matches and doing his scouting to expose the weaknesses of their opponents. It all depends on if his team is able to follow that game plan. If they are, then I see #7 for Penn State. While I believe Rose is exceptional at creating a great game plan, I do not believe their success has been a function of what he has done gameday, or during the week. Obviously PSU has wonderful players, but the edge they have held over opponents in big matches is a function of the everyday competitiveness and expectation level he creates. His teams have held a significant advantage over everyone else in their toughness and and their compete level. PSU has an "edge" that the other top teams just haven't had.
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