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Post by SakiBomb25 on Dec 19, 2014 13:05:51 GMT -5
First of all, congrats to Penn State. They played better than Stanford at crucial times and deserved to win. Still disappointed as a Stanford fan, but life moves on.
From my eyes, the left-sides won it for Penn State. Courtney and Frantti played extremely well. Karch kept on saying they were hitting over the right-side blockers (Bugg and Boukather). My question is was there nothing Stanford could do (i.e., Courtney and Frantti were just too physical) or was it a failure on the coaching staff to make the necessary adjustments to stop them? I realize Stanford had other problems, but I am just curious about the game plan to stop the Nittany Lions outsides.
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Post by volleyfan24 on Dec 19, 2014 13:19:02 GMT -5
I think there was little they could do I don't know if it was Russ or his staff who recognized how to hit against Stanford. Hitting over Madi was key for Courtney. Stanford's best bet would maybe have been to park a defender line and see what happens. They also recognized the gap in Merete coming over as she is a much slower blocker so when they did go cross court they were hitting the seam left between Bugg and Lutz.
The defensive adjustment wasn't really made but who knows if it was if it would have changed the match. In the post game interview Courtney said she was just hitting what her players were telling her was open and it was line. I think at times PSU hitters were trying to force line shots as Whitney, Grant, and Frantti all made errors going for line and hitting out. I think this is respect to the Stanford defense as they didn't want to hit cross court and in the court shots as Stanford's defense was more likely to pick those up.
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Post by Reach on Dec 19, 2014 13:19:17 GMT -5
First of all, congrats to Penn State. They played better than Stanford at crucial times and deserved to win. Still disappointed as a Stanford fan, but life moves on. From my eyes, the left-sides won it for Penn State. Courtney and Frantti played extremely well. Karch kept on saying they were hitting over the right-side blockers (Bugg and Boukather). My question is was there nothing Stanford could do (i.e., Courtney and Frantti were just too physical) or was it a failure on the coaching staff to make the necessary adjustments to stop them? I realize Stanford had other problems, but I am just curious about the game plan to stop the Nittany Lions outsides. Coaching is the issue. Rose is a killer and so is his team. Dunning is a kitty kat and it shows in his teams mental toughness. They played scared and afraid to lose yesterday. Stanford hasn't had a Nnamani or Walsh or Tom who could take over a match and dominate. They've had amazing teams with some of the best talent with this timid, low error style of volleyball that isn't getting them past a team with equal talent who has a, "let's do this" mentality. Talent keeps Stan at the top but they are being out coached by a team they should have beat last night. Congrats PSU!
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Post by jarredk on Dec 19, 2014 13:27:14 GMT -5
Not sure if adjustments would've helped. Stanford shut down Whitney, Washington and Grant - PSU's three highest percentage attackers -- for all intense and purposes. One would think you do that and you would be successful. Had he adjusted to help out Bugg on right (against the left side attackers), it likely would've opened up the other side. A case of choosing your poison and you can't second guess Dunning for the poison he chose. No one could've expected Courtney to have the match she did.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 19, 2014 13:30:57 GMT -5
First of all, congrats to Penn State. They played better than Stanford at crucial times and deserved to win. Still disappointed as a Stanford fan, but life moves on. From my eyes, the left-sides won it for Penn State. Courtney and Frantti played extremely well. Karch kept on saying they were hitting over the right-side blockers (Bugg and Boukather). My question is was there nothing Stanford could do (i.e., Courtney and Frantti were just too physical) or was it a failure on the coaching staff to make the necessary adjustments to stop them? I realize Stanford had other problems, but I am just curious about the game plan to stop the Nittany Lions outsides. Coaching is the issue. Rose is a killer and so is his team. Dunning is a kitty kat and it shows in his teams mental toughness. They played scared and afraid to lose yesterday. Stanford hasn't had a Nnamani or Walsh or Tom who could take over a match and dominate. They've had amazing teams with some of the best talent with this timid, low error style of volleyball that isn't getting them past a team with equal talent who has a, "let's do this" mentality. Talent keeps Stan at the top but they are being out coached by a team they should have beat last night. Congrats PSU! Exactly!!!!! That is why Dunning has never one a National Championship.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Dec 19, 2014 13:31:48 GMT -5
Coaching is the issue. Rose is a killer and so is his team. Dunning is a kitty kat and it shows in his teams mental toughness. They played scared and afraid to lose yesterday. Stanford hasn't had a Nnamani or Walsh or Tom who could take over a match and dominate. They've had amazing teams with some of the best talent with this timid, low error style of volleyball that isn't getting them past a team with equal talent who has a, "let's do this" mentality. Talent keeps Stan at the top but they are being out coached by a team they should have beat last night. Congrats PSU! Exactly!!!!! That is why Dunning has never one a National Championship. Or four.
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Post by Cruz'n on Dec 19, 2014 13:33:35 GMT -5
Sure, Frantti and Courtney hit tremendously yesterday. Florida's stars hit great against Stanford too. The difference was that Stanford passed well against Florida, not against Penn St. Sure, adjustments would have been nice. But if Stanford would have passed well, and thus sided out better, they could have pulled this out, despite Penn State's OH's.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 19, 2014 13:33:51 GMT -5
First of all, congrats to Penn State. They played better than Stanford at crucial times and deserved to win. Still disappointed as a Stanford fan, but life moves on. From my eyes, the left-sides won it for Penn State. Courtney and Frantti played extremely well. Karch kept on saying they were hitting over the right-side blockers (Bugg and Boukather). My question is was there nothing Stanford could do (i.e., Courtney and Frantti were just too physical) or was it a failure on the coaching staff to make the necessary adjustments to stop them? I realize Stanford had other problems, but I am just curious about the game plan to stop the Nittany Lions outsides. There is always something you "could" do, but Stanford had their best players on the floor, in the roles they best fill. If you are making significant personnel or system changes (moving players) in a match at level, you are going to lose. PSU was better.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 19, 2014 13:34:56 GMT -5
Exactly!!!!! That is why Dunning has never one a National Championship. Or four. Wait, what? Did I miss something, has Dunning won titles?
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Dec 19, 2014 13:40:26 GMT -5
First of all, congrats to Penn State. They played better than Stanford at crucial times and deserved to win. Still disappointed as a Stanford fan, but life moves on. From my eyes, the left-sides won it for Penn State. Courtney and Frantti played extremely well. Karch kept on saying they were hitting over the right-side blockers (Bugg and Boukather). My question is was there nothing Stanford could do (i.e., Courtney and Frantti were just too physical) or was it a failure on the coaching staff to make the necessary adjustments to stop them? I realize Stanford had other problems, but I am just curious about the game plan to stop the Nittany Lions outsides. Coaching is the issue. Rose is a killer and so is his team. Dunning is a kitty kat and it shows in his teams mental toughness. They played scared and afraid to lose yesterday. Stanford hasn't had a Nnamani or Walsh or Tom who could take over a match and dominate. They've had amazing teams with some of the best talent with this timid, low error style of volleyball that isn't getting them past a team with equal talent who has a, "let's do this" mentality. Talent keeps Stan at the top but they are being out coached by a team they should have beat last night. Congrats PSU! Stanford didn't play scared or to lose last night - that's a disservice to how Penn State played. Again, Penn State was just better. The only grumbling I have is the second point of the match, Frantti (or Courtney hit out, can't remember) and a touch was called. I thoughtnitnwas clearly out. It allowed Micha to get more serves and Penn State bolts out to a 5-0 lead. I think the first set would have played out much differently if the score was tied at 1-1. And the only low-risk mentality I see from Stanford is how they serve. Everything else screams high-risk. You don't run a bunch of balls to the middle if you are a low-risk team because... it's too risky. Stanford just got beat last night because Frantti and Courtney terminated at will when it mattered most.
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Post by SakiBomb25 on Dec 19, 2014 13:42:30 GMT -5
First of all, congrats to Penn State. They played better than Stanford at crucial times and deserved to win. Still disappointed as a Stanford fan, but life moves on. From my eyes, the left-sides won it for Penn State. Courtney and Frantti played extremely well. Karch kept on saying they were hitting over the right-side blockers (Bugg and Boukather). My question is was there nothing Stanford could do (i.e., Courtney and Frantti were just too physical) or was it a failure on the coaching staff to make the necessary adjustments to stop them? I realize Stanford had other problems, but I am just curious about the game plan to stop the Nittany Lions outsides. There is always something you "could" do, but Stanford had their best players on the floor, in the roles they best fill. If you are making significant personnel or system changes (moving players) in a match at level, you are going to lose. PSU was better. I wasn't talking personnel changes - I think the best players were on the floor for Stanford. Because I am not a coach, I was just curious if Dunning could have made some tactical changes to slow down the outsides, that's all.
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Post by gobruins on Dec 19, 2014 13:48:14 GMT -5
Wait, what? Did I miss something, has Dunning won titles? 1985 and 1986 at Pacific. 2001 and 2004 at Stanford.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 19, 2014 13:48:51 GMT -5
There is always something you "could" do, but Stanford had their best players on the floor, in the roles they best fill. If you are making significant personnel or system changes (moving players) in a match at level, you are going to lose. PSU was better. I wasn't talking personnel changes - I think the best players were on the floor for Stanford. Because I am not a coach, I was just curious if Dunning could have made some tactical changes to slow down the outsides, that's all. why I also stated system changes, moving players. When you do a great job containing lets face it 3 all americans (whitney, Grant and Haleigh if she was eligible) and they still have more guns than can beat you, you are playing a team that is better than you are.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 19, 2014 13:49:53 GMT -5
Wait, what? Did I miss something, has Dunning won titles? 1985 and 1986 at Pacific. 2001 and 2004 at Stanford. Yes, I was being sarcastic regarding someone suggesting Dunning was too soft to win it all.
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Post by badgerbreath on Dec 19, 2014 13:58:25 GMT -5
1985 and 1986 at Pacific. 2001 and 2004 at Stanford. Yes, I was being sarcastic regarding someone suggesting Dunning was too soft to win it all. Yeah...but apparently everybody was all soft and lovie in those days.
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