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Post by BeiBei on Dec 24, 2014 23:01:49 GMT -5
There are more than a few folks out there who believe recruiting is not one of Sealy's strengths. He sure did a great job recruiting for conference rivals especially USC and Washington
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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 24, 2014 23:02:07 GMT -5
Hugh and Sealy are not known for recruiting prowess...
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Post by BeiBei on Dec 24, 2014 23:10:26 GMT -5
Hugh and Sealy are not known for recruiting prowess... exactly!! it just prove that some people dont do their research before posting
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2014 23:14:44 GMT -5
I look at schools that would be hard sells for the volleyball elite, to determine what coaches are most successful. Any mid-major who attracts a top 20 class is a good recruiter. Any coach who consistently advances deep into the NCAA tournament and is not at Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, Cal, Arizona, ASU, Penn State, Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Hawaii, or Florida, are doing a pretty good job recruiting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 2:03:22 GMT -5
I look at schools that would be hard sells for the volleyball elite, to determine what coaches are most successful. Any mid-major who attracts a top 20 class is a good recruiter. Any coach who consistently advances deep into the NCAA tournament and is not at Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, Cal, Arizona, ASU, Penn State, Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Hawaii, or Florida, are doing a pretty good job recruiting. Agree with the mid major schools that bring in top classes. But when you look at the truly great recruiter they seem to have it dialed in SO well that wherever they land the pot of gold is under their feet. Bond...when he took over GT from Shelton they already had some top kids that they both got in...he continued bring in great kids until he left. Then he goes to Marq and take a program that was SO bad and turns it into a legit program. It won't take long before Iowa is a top 40 RPI team and in the tourney. Whitis has the same deal...the last time Clemson was any good was when he was there and his kids won the ACC Then he goes to Mich...press repeat (no big ten titles) but more success then they had in some time. Now Erin is the RC and she's one of the best people in ALL of Vball!!! The he goes to Tenn...SEC title App St...bad when he was there but they did great this year with his kids. Now Arizona...people were calling for Rubio's head and now they are in the tourney after a long gap. Like Greg or not that guy can recruit! Has to be one of the top 2-3 best recruiters in the game currently.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 2:20:33 GMT -5
The one thing I find funny is that there are VERY few college coaches that are the complete package. Some can train but not recruit, some can recruit but can't tell you what rotation the opposing team is in. I get the we all have strengths and weaknesses which is why recruiting is SO important. Think about how many kids you have missed on Bc you didn't see "it". Well, people like Bond and Whitis rarely "miss" on kids.
Coaches like Skinner, Sheffield, Carlston, Shondell (all of them), Flory, Haley, Allen, Hilbert are rare breads. They repeatedly get "good" kids but not top 5 classes. They can Train, Recruit, manage, good in game tacticians and have a history of success. They are a several more but the list is not that long. Plus they all have a very low transfer rate.
We all (including me) can learn a great deal from these people.
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Post by jsn112 on Dec 25, 2014 3:15:25 GMT -5
The one thing I find funny is that there are VERY few college coaches that are the complete package. Some can train but not recruit, some can recruit but can't tell you what rotation the opposing team is in. I get the we all have strengths and weaknesses which is why recruiting is SO important. Think about how many kids you have missed on Bc you didn't see "it". Well, people like Bond and Whitis rarely "miss" on kids. Coaches like Skinner, Sheffield, Carlston, Shondell (all of them), Flory, Haley, Allen, Hilbert are rare breads. They repeatedly get "good" kids but not top 5 classes. They can Train, Recruit, manage, good in game tacticians and have a history of success. They are a several more but the list is not that long. Plus they all have a very low transfer rate. We all (including me) can learn a great deal from these people. Titles aside, how would you rank the B1G coaches from top to bottom as the total package?
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Post by Xplaya on Dec 25, 2014 3:45:28 GMT -5
I look at schools that would be hard sells for the volleyball elite, to determine what coaches are most successful. Any mid-major who attracts a top 20 class is a good recruiter. Any coach who consistently advances deep into the NCAA tournament and is not at Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, Cal, Arizona, ASU, Penn State, Nebraska, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, Hawaii, or Florida, are doing a pretty good job recruiting. Agree with the mid major schools that bring in top classes. But when you look at the truly great recruiter they seem to have it dialed in SO well that wherever they land the pot of gold is under their feet. Bond...when he took over GT from Shelton they already had some top kids that they both got in...he continued bring in great kids until he left. Then he goes to Marq and take a program that was SO bad and turns it into a legit program. It won't take long before Iowa is a top 40 RPI team and in the tourney. Whitis has the same deal...the last time Clemson was any good was when he was there and his kids won the ACC Then he goes to Mich...press repeat (no big ten titles) but more success then they had in some time. Now Erin is the RC and she's one of the best people in ALL of Vball!!! The he goes to Tenn...SEC title App St...bad when he was there but they did great this year with his kids. Now Arizona...people were calling for Rubio's head and now they are in the tourney after a long gap. Like Greg or not that guy can recruit! Has to be one of the top 2-3 best recruiters in the game currently. not disagreeing, just correcting...the "long gap" in the tourney for Arizona, was one year. The were in the tourney 2009, 10 and 11, missed 12 then back in 2013 Gregg's 1st year...let's give Rubio a little credit where credit is due.
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Post by BeiBei on Dec 25, 2014 6:49:50 GMT -5
let's give Rubio a little credit where credit is due. Rubio did well this well but I think Arizona only had 2 postseason wins since Kim Glass graduated in 2005. 2 wins in almost 10 years is pretty bad
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Post by Xplaya on Dec 25, 2014 10:07:24 GMT -5
let's give Rubio a little credit where credit is due. Rubio did well this well but I think Arizona only had 2 postseason wins since Kim Glass graduated in 2005. 2 wins in almost 10 years is pretty bad Not disputing that, I was responding to Wannabe's post stating that Whitis' recruiting/coaching got them back into the tourney after a long absence, when in reality they had only missed it the previous year and had been in the years prior.
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Post by BeiBei on Dec 25, 2014 10:13:21 GMT -5
Rubio did well this well but I think Arizona only had 2 postseason wins since Kim Glass graduated in 2005. 2 wins in almost 10 years is pretty bad Not disputing that, I was responding to Wannabe's post stating that Whitis' recruiting/coaching got them back into the tourney after a long absence, when in reality they had only missed it the previous year and had been in the years prior. Other than 2012 They also did not make the tournament in 2006,2007 and 2008
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 10:15:13 GMT -5
Rubio did well this well but I think Arizona only had 2 postseason wins since Kim Glass graduated in 2005. 2 wins in almost 10 years is pretty bad Not disputing that, I was responding to Wannabe's post stating that Whitis' recruiting/coaching got them back into the tourney after a long absence, when in reality they had only missed it the previous year and had been in the years prior. That's cool. I don't personally know Dave but I do know Keith. Keith is a quality person and Dave seems like he is...thanks for the correction, no offense taken. Merry Christmas!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 13:22:00 GMT -5
The one thing I find funny is that there are VERY few college coaches that are the complete package. Some can train but not recruit, some can recruit but can't tell you what rotation the opposing team is in. I get the we all have strengths and weaknesses which is why recruiting is SO important. Think about how many kids you have missed on Bc you didn't see "it". Well, people like Bond and Whitis rarely "miss" on kids. Coaches like Skinner, Sheffield, Carlston, Shondell (all of them), Flory, Haley, Allen, Hilbert are rare breads. They repeatedly get "good" kids but not top 5 classes. They can Train, Recruit, manage, good in game tacticians and have a history of success. They are a several more but the list is not that long. Plus they all have a very low transfer rate. We all (including me) can learn a great deal from these people. Titles aside, how would you rank the B1G coaches from top to bottom as the total package? Rose, Hambly, Sheffield, George, Bond, Cook, Dunbar, Shondell, Aird, Hugh, Rosen, Carlston, Chan.
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Post by vbnerd on Dec 25, 2014 13:37:13 GMT -5
What's the criteria for this? How can you tell if a coach is a good recruiter or if the head coach is the one doing the job? Good point. It will certainly be subjective. To back you, add Tom Hilbert and Ed Allen to the list. Ed got Micha Hancock to Tulsa! No, Kelsey Hancock got Micha Hancock to go to Tulsa. The former assistants got Kelsey Hancock.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 15:00:10 GMT -5
Top programs in B1G over past 5-6 years based on league finishes:
Penn State Nebraska Illinois Purdue Minnesota Michigan Wisconsin Michigan State Ohio State Northwrstern Indiana Iowa (Maryland, Rutgers)
Actual B1G average finish from last 5 years.
1. Penn State. 1.4 2. Nebraska. 2.3 3. Illinois. 3.8 4. Minnesota. 4.0 5. Purdue. 4.4 6. Wisconsin. 6.4 6. Ohio State. 6.4 8. Michigan. 7.0 8. Michigan State. 7.0 10. Northwestern. 8.8 11. Indiana. 10.2 12. Iowa. 12.2 13. Maryland. 13 14. Rutgers. 14
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