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Post by tomclen on Jan 9, 2015 20:10:41 GMT -5
I don't think you can discount the family connection. The McLaughlin's have young daughters and his wife's parents are driving distance from Notre Dame. Plus his wife attended ND and played sports there. Having your children be close to their grandparents can become a very big deal after a couple years of missed Thanksgivings and Christmases and birthdays, etc. I wouldn't discount that factor. Plus if it's considerably more money and later-life financial security by returning to a campus that probably evokes very fond memories for his wife....and a great university....this isn't the head-scratcher some are making it seem. McLaughlin has never displayed any evidence of making big changes based on one win or one loss. He is not the type to make emotional decisions based on a game. a) Love family, love the grandparents. But Cincy, Cleveland, and Columbus are all 4+ hours drive time from SB, so let's be real, it's not likely this move will mean they're close enough to add significantly more time with the kids. Not like they're in town for gosh sakes. And who says they were missing Thanksgivings and Christmas'? JM could've flown them in for every holiday. b) I know many athletes who played sports at major colleges, and they 're not pining to move back and relive the glory years. You're reaching imo. c) Typically executives don't move across country to take risks like this for an additional net maybe $30-40k per year when they're already vesting retirements with every year. They know they're one bad investment from that gain being washed away. But you're right about all the things we're likely to hear. As someone who used to live 3.5 hrs drive from parents and in-laws, but then moved 3 time zones away, I can tell you there is a huge difference. That 3.5 hour drive was made by one party or the other EVERY single major holiday and kids birthday celebration. But when it became a trip to the airport, airfare, air transfers, return trips, the visits slowed to a trickle. And it is a family hardship. I'm not suggesting this is THE primary factor in this decision, but I can easily understand why it could have been one major factor. It's a great job, more money, PLUS you've made your wife and in-laws much happier.
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Post by zenyada on Jan 9, 2015 20:18:02 GMT -5
Thank you, you're right and my point could have been more direct which is that net , net seems the risks of ditching what you've built usually come with greater reward, based only on the speculation on pay I've read here. You are aware that Nebraska and Illinois are separated by only one state aren't you? Yes, I recall the drive time from Lincoln to Chicago is about 8 hours. So arent parents flying to matches and kids flown home for the holidays? Which would be the same for a UW student + a few hundred more a year. A deal killer?
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Post by midnightblue on Jan 9, 2015 20:25:04 GMT -5
Do we know if UW did everything they could to keep him? I'd find it hard to believe they didn't, but even if they did/could match the offer, perhaps he was just really ready to move on.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 9, 2015 20:28:58 GMT -5
Agreed. I hope, at the very least, the U-Dub program can bounce back with a top coach! I just don't see JMac finding the success he had at Washington. Will he really challenge Rose, Cook, Shondell, McCutcheon, or even Skinner for Midwest recruits? Are there any recruits from the above-mentioned coaches that would have picked JMac over them if he was at a program closer to their homes? If academics and reputation was important for nearby recruits, I'd pick Northwestern and Purdue instead or go to the Ivy League over ND. If playing in front of a big crowd was appealing, I'd choose Nebraska, Hawaii, or Washington over ND. Will he still land T Street girls? I wonder if any of his Cali recruits just wanted to play somewhat close to home, or maybe they loved Seattle. If that's the case, it'll be tough getting Cali players like that to go out to South Bend. You can get kids from anywhere to ND, you cant at UW. Really? I'm not being sarcastic or a smart ass, either. If that's the case, why don't they already have top girls from everywhere? Is JMac that dreamy of a coach for girls in Indiana, Florida, Illinois, and Kentucky to pick him over Nebraska, Penn State, Texas, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Purdue?
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Post by oldmanred on Jan 9, 2015 20:29:16 GMT -5
Thank you, you're right and my point could have been more direct which is that net , net seems the risks of ditching what you've built usually come with greater reward, based only on the speculation on pay I've read here. You are aware that Nebraska and Illinois are separated by only one state aren't you? Yup and only 524 miles from Lincoln to Chicago! GO HUSKERS
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Post by Wiswell on Jan 9, 2015 20:34:38 GMT -5
c) Typically executives don't move across country to take risks like this for an additional net maybe $30-40k per year when they're already vesting retirements with every year. They know they're one bad investment from that gain being washed away. Not sure a pension would figure into a coach's decision. Certainly it varies, but university faculty and staff typically pay pre-tax dollars into a retirement account and receive a matching contribution from their university. It's a defined contribution plan, not defined benefit. Many universities use the same plans (used to be TIAA-CREF was most popular, now seems more like Fidelity, etc.). So one can relocate and still be paying into the same plan. State Universities are less likely to be in tiaa cref than privates and thus would be jn state defined benefit plan.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 9, 2015 20:36:31 GMT -5
Of note is that UW hasn't gotten a big-time commitment since 2012. Seems like not that long since those girls are still underclassmen, but for someone looking forward it could be concerning. JMac probably realized that while the rising sophomores are very good it was going to be tough going without Vansant. If he thinks he can get Chicago, Louisville, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana girls to Notre Dame more successfully than California girls to UW, then it makes sense. The UW title team had a huge concentration of PNW talent, but that hasn't been replicated and there's a lot more competition for those girls than there was 15 years ago.
JMac will have to rebuild Notre Dame, but I don't think UW would have been back to competing for titles for several years (2018/2019? and that would require winning over Cali girls he hasn't been able to make go to UW over Stanford or others the past couple of classes). If all you care about are the rings, the timeline isn't that different, if you're confident in your abilities to rebuild and the better draw of UND.
It will be interesting to see if there is attrition off the current roster. The UW "sell" to recruits/identity was really heavily tied to the coaching.
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Jan 9, 2015 20:48:33 GMT -5
I am surprised that no one had mentioned (at least that I have seen) that he was an Assistant Coach at Notre Dame. That is where he met Margaret.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 9, 2015 20:49:54 GMT -5
If you're a highly-rated high school player from the Midwest, where would you rather go - a B1G school where you can play against great competition and be on TV all throughout the Midwest, or Notre Dame, which plays in the mediocre ACC? This is how I regarded the situation.
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Post by volleytology on Jan 9, 2015 20:50:08 GMT -5
He's a competitor and loves a challenge and sometimes coaches just want a new project. There a quite a few good reasons to take this job. What he did at Washington was borderline miraculous, but he may sense the program has maxed out. What a great opportunity for him professionally to build Notre Dame to a championship level. It's seems like an exciting career jolt at perfect time for where he is in his life
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 9, 2015 20:58:32 GMT -5
Of note is that UW hasn't gotten a big-time commitment since 2012. Seems like not that long since those girls are still underclassmen, but for someone looking forward it could be concerning. JMac probably realized that while the rising sophomores are very good it was going to be tough going without Vansant. If he thinks he can get Chicago, Louisville, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana girls to Notre Dame more successfully than California girls to UW, then it makes sense. The UW title team had a huge concentration of PNW talent, but that hasn't been replicated and there's a lot more competition for those girls than there was 15 years ago. JMac will have to rebuild Notre Dame, but I don't think UW would have been back to competing for several years (2018/2019? and that would require winning over Cali girls he hasn't been able to make go to UW over Stanford or others the past couple of classes). If all you care about are the rings, the timeline isn't that different, if you're confident in your abilities to rebuild and the better draw of UND. It will be interesting to see if their is attrition off the current roster. The UW "sell" to recruits/identity was really heavily tied to the coaching. That's my concern. If the top players since 2012 didn't want to go play for him at Washington, will the top players faun over going to play for him now, just because he's at a new institution--that's not in the two powerhouse conferences?
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 9, 2015 21:00:55 GMT -5
Does ND have a sand program?
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Post by bkedane on Jan 9, 2015 21:13:21 GMT -5
I am surprised that no one had mentioned (at least that I have seen) that he was an Assistant Coach at Notre Dame. That is where he met Margaret. No -- they met at USC.
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Post by Mocha on Jan 9, 2015 21:19:33 GMT -5
Funny that this thread isn't titled "Jim McLaughlin/Why did he move up?"
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Post by tomclen on Jan 9, 2015 21:23:43 GMT -5
"JIMMY, WHY YOU DO DIS TO ME, JIMMY?"
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