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Post by jsn112 on Jan 13, 2015 17:08:36 GMT -5
Yeah, but Washington could actually be fully healthy for the whole season. ya'll think she's well rounded enough to be POY? I don't, not at this point in her career. Gifted athlete, with a terminal slide...but her blocking and defense is weak. RR has called this out a few times, plus she never hits in front of the setter. She seems a bit too one dimensional at this point to be in consideration. (I'm sure she'll improve her weaknesses during the off season though.) Actually, she has. But it seems like her slide is her specialty.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 13, 2015 17:08:58 GMT -5
Yeah, but Washington could actually be fully healthy for the whole season. ya'll think she's well rounded enough to be POY? I don't, not at this point in her career. Gifted athlete, with a terminal slide...but her blocking and defense is weak. RR has called this out a few times, plus she never hits in front of the setter. She seems a bit too one dimensional at this point to be in consideration. (I'm sure she'll improve her weaknesses during the off season though.) anyone hitting near .500 with 1.5 blocks a game is a candidate, and a legitimate one.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 13, 2015 17:17:38 GMT -5
Yeah, but Washington could actually be fully healthy for the whole season. ya'll think she's well rounded enough to be POY? I don't, not at this point in her career. Gifted athlete, with a terminal slide...but her blocking and defense is weak. RR has called this out a few times, plus she never hits in front of the setter. She seems a bit too one dimensional at this point to be in consideration. (I'm sure she'll improve her weaknesses during the off season though.) She was like 5th in the conference in total blocks as a less-than-100% true freshman. She can probably be better, which is scary. But she'll probably have the counting stats (even if she does make some mistakes blocking) and it doesn't really matter if she only runs the slide if nobody can stop her. Now, she might have trouble getting enough swings, esp. with a new setter and munchkin corps, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have the goods for it talent-wise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 17:30:08 GMT -5
ya'll think she's well rounded enough to be POY? I don't, not at this point in her career. Gifted athlete, with a terminal slide...but her blocking and defense is weak. RR has called this out a few times, plus she never hits in front of the setter. She seems a bit too one dimensional at this point to be in consideration. (I'm sure she'll improve her weaknesses during the off season though.) She was like 5th in the conference in total blocks as a less-than-100% true freshman. She can probably be better, which is scary. But she'll probably have the counting stats (even if she does make some mistakes blocking) and it doesn't really matter if she only runs the slide if nobody can stop her. Now, she might have trouble getting enough swings, esp. with a new setter and munchkin corps, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have the goods for it talent-wise. she was 7th in the conference in blocks with 1.2. Yes, agree. She's wildly talented, offensively. I think the award has gone to one middle blocker in the last 20 years? (maybe even longer?) Foluke. The committee likes to give this award to 6 rotation players with a very good all-around game.
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Post by bballnut90 on Jan 13, 2015 18:13:07 GMT -5
She was like 5th in the conference in total blocks as a less-than-100% true freshman. She can probably be better, which is scary. But she'll probably have the counting stats (even if she does make some mistakes blocking) and it doesn't really matter if she only runs the slide if nobody can stop her. Now, she might have trouble getting enough swings, esp. with a new setter and munchkin corps, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have the goods for it talent-wise. she was 7th in the conference in blocks with 1.2. Yes, agree. She's wildly talented, offensively. I think the award has gone to one middle blocker in the last 20 years? (maybe even longer?) Foluke. The committee likes to give this award to 6 rotation players with a very good all-around game. 2007-Foluke 1999-Cacciamani 1996-Ljungquist 1995-Weston Other positions: Setter: 1995-Wendell 1997 and 1998-May 2000-Cepero 2010-Lloyd 2014-Hancock RS: 2006-Pavan 2012-Bergsma Outsides: 2001 and 2002-Tom 2003-Willoughby 2004-Gordon 2004-Nnamani 2005-Houghtelling 2008-Fawcett 2009-Hodge 2011-Jupiter 2013-Vansant Outsides have dominated this award, and middles have been sparse since the addition of libero which essentially eliminates middles from playing back row, but 4 POY winners in 20 years is about on par with setters and more than rightsides.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jan 13, 2015 19:17:12 GMT -5
Don't count on it....Micha and her setting and offensive threat pulling blockers, is gone. Yeah, but Washington could actually be fully healthy for the whole season. Oh she'll be good, but not sure her numbers will be the same.
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Post by Boof1224 on Jan 13, 2015 19:29:49 GMT -5
Yeah, but Washington could actually be fully healthy for the whole season. Oh she'll be good, but not sure her numbers will be the same. Your totally disregarding weiskircher. Who's to say she couldn't pull blockers. You don't know. None of us do.
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Post by memorybankrupt on Jan 13, 2015 20:22:54 GMT -5
she was 7th in the conference in blocks with 1.2. Yes, agree. She's wildly talented, offensively. I think the award has gone to one middle blocker in the last 20 years? (maybe even longer?) Foluke. The committee likes to give this award to 6 rotation players with a very good all-around game. 2007-Foluke 1999-Cacciamani 1996-Ljungquist 1995-Weston Other positions: Setter: 1995-Wendell 1997 and 1998-May 2000-Cepero 2010-Lloyd 2014-Hancock RS: 2006-Pavan 2012-Bergsma Outsides: 2001 and 2002-Tom 2003-Willoughby 2004-Gordon 2004-Nnamani 2005-Houghtelling 2008-Fawcett 2009-Hodge 2011-Jupiter 2013-Vansant Outsides have dominated this award, and middles have been sparse since the addition of libero which essentially eliminates middles from playing back row, but 4 POY winners in 20 years is about on par with setters and more than rightsides. I think Inky and eventually Washington and maybe Alhassan have a good shot at POY. Besides Foluke, those other middles were six rotation, fantastic all around players (pre-libero days). Inky, Washington and Alhassan will have to dominate in their stats - which they can.
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Post by Cruz'n on Jan 13, 2015 20:27:15 GMT -5
Couple things to note--Fawcett was 6 rotations as a senior. Nwanebu will most likely play 6 rotations next year as well. And as far as Bricio and Nwanebu, I did forget about those two, but both of those would fall into the category of players unlikely to be at the Final Four. I also wouldn't categorize Carlini as unlikely to play in the Final Four. Outside of Penn State and Stanford, I don't see any teams you can make a strong argument that they'll be better than Wisconsin next year. The only other ones that I believe will be on par are Nebraska (big if with new setter and inconsistent middles), and Texas (who stockpiles talent but consistently underperforms). Actually, for that matter, I'd throw Birks in that group too, as Illinois will be LOADED next year and has Poulter running things along with their great libero, Birks and Stadick returning. Interesting that you don't think that Nwanebu and Bricio, who's team returns almost everyone, are unlikely to be at the Final Four, but think that Carlini, who's team loses a bunch of seniors, will be there. Interesting? How would anyone, except a die-hard Trojan fan, predict that a .500 team would rebound and go to final four the following year? On the other hand, you have Carlini as a freshman leading her team to championship match, as sophomore leading team to elite eight, losing a tough match to eventual champions. It is not such a stretch to think that she might have some success as a junior. She has never been surrounded by all stars, yet her team goes far every year. Personally I have no reason to believe Wisconsin won't go deep in the tourney once again.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jan 13, 2015 23:09:05 GMT -5
Kim Willoughy was robbed of the POY award in 2001. What does this simple fact have to do with this thread? nothing but I will say it anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 23:19:06 GMT -5
Once I saw the thread title, I knew there would be a whole lot of singing the praises of the almighty Carlini.
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Post by badgerbreath on Jan 14, 2015 0:13:16 GMT -5
Once I saw the thread title, I knew there would be a whole lot of singing the praises of the almighty Carlini. Well, that's because she's pretty good. But I read through and I think people have sung praises of other players as well, and rightly so. As others have said, whether Carlini has a chance does come down to how her team does. I'm less doubtful than gobucky on that front, though not without my doubts. I personally think Williams will eventually do a good job replacing Thompson next year, and MacDonald will probably do well in Morales place as a more natural DS, a position for which Deme had to really bear down and learn. With Kriskova filling the RS or OH, the only real question mark becomes who takes the one remaining hitting position. But there will be lots of competition to fill that space, and for the other positions as well. Still, there are always a lot of uncertainties when a lot of turnover happens. Lots of intangibles. So I can see both a high ceiling and a significant falloff both possible. A slow start is actually probable, IMO. Good thing for Carlini is that for POY what really matters is what happens at the end of the year. If she can get the young team playing to its best at the end of the season, she could have a reasonable chance at a POY. I'll have to say the next year (2016) would seem a better bet though. I would have her as more of a favorite then.
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Post by C on Jan 14, 2015 2:58:44 GMT -5
Interesting that you don't think that Nwanebu and Bricio, who's team returns almost everyone, are unlikely to be at the Final Four, but think that Carlini, who's team loses a bunch of seniors, will be there. Interesting? How would anyone, except a die-hard Trojan fan, predict that a .500 team would rebound and go to final four the following year? On the other hand, you have Carlini as a freshman leading her team to championship match, as sophomore leading team to elite eight, losing a tough match to eventual champions. It is not such a stretch to think that she might have some success as a junior. She has never been surrounded by all stars, yet her team goes far every year. Personally I have no reason to believe Wisconsin won't go deep in the tourney once again. I'm glad for your optimism.
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Post by SportyBucky on Jan 14, 2015 8:59:16 GMT -5
Oh she'll be good, but not sure her numbers will be the same. Your totally disregarding weiskircher. Who's to say she couldn't pull blockers. You don't know. None of us do. I'm not totally disregarding her. I'm giving credit to one of, if not the best setter terminator in 30 years. If I had the patience and time to go back to your comments lauding Micha last year and the three years prior, I'm sure I could come up with the exact language, spewed from your pie hole, that says exactly the same thing I'm saying now. You are infinitely annoying. Please find another hobby.
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Post by bballnut90 on Jan 14, 2015 10:28:03 GMT -5
Oh she'll be good, but not sure her numbers will be the same. Your totally disregarding weiskircher. Who's to say she couldn't pull blockers. You don't know. None of us do. Weiskircher isn't going to pull the block like Hancock did. Micha is one of the best offensive setters college volleyball has seen in a long long time, Weiskircher can score on 2 and will be aggressive, but she's not close to Hancock's level offensively.
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