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Post by bigfan on Jan 24, 2015 13:03:13 GMT -5
Sorry, I am going to call poppycock on this one. The skills they teach may vary by a some small technical element, but the idea that players are making totally unique moves per skill is absolutely preposterous. I've coached for well over 20 years....................... Finally a voice of reason and experience. I have never heard of this type of coaching for volleyball. Maybe in football..........they have set plays and techniques.
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Post by Kale'aRuth on Jan 24, 2015 19:34:27 GMT -5
and he warned them not to say anything about it to anyone, tom ato, saying.. --- i thought that you'd be holding off the juice until next sunday's SBwl party (go Hawks!) ??
can people have a beer online toasting to others exclusivity on VT ? just a Q. but i suppose that it can be done. :-)
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Post by tomclen on Jan 26, 2015 8:59:14 GMT -5
Is this the week we'll find out about the next coach?
This story first showed up on VT on Jan 8th, so JM & UW had to know at least a day or two earlier. Which means it's now been three full weeks. I realize you want to proceed with caution and do due diligence to make sure you're hiring the right person. But there are also competitive disadvantages to moving slowly in replacing a head coach. We're inching toward February.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 26, 2015 9:40:14 GMT -5
Is this the week we'll find out about the next coach? This story first showed up on VT on Jan 8th, so JM & UW had to know at least a day or two earlier. Which means it's now been three full weeks. I realize you want to proceed with caution and do due diligence to make sure you're hiring the right person. But there are also competitive disadvantages to moving slowly in replacing a head coach. We're inching toward February. The two coaches I know that they have reached out too are high level head coaches. Clearly they are committed to getting a top coach and are being pro-active in going after candidates. I would imagine they would like to have a coach within 7-10 days, and don't see why they wouldnt be able to do that.
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alexsi
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I don't always play volleyball but when I .... oh, wait... I always play volleyball!
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Post by alexsi on Jan 26, 2015 10:43:27 GMT -5
GMS or not, new vs. old, cult vs. just a way to play volleyball, << blah blah blah whatever>>.
That wasn't my point. My point was about the specific skills players use on the court.
Jim and his staff have had a system they teach. Every good coach has a system he/she teaches. In Jim's system, they taught UW players some specific skills to use when they play:
1.)Attacking with a 4 step approach (vs. a 3 step approach) 2.)Swing blocking with a read (vs. shuffle blocking / commit blocking) 3.)Passing by facing the ball and angling platform to target (vs. facing target) 4.)Pancaking and sprawling (vs. rolling) 5.)An arm swing that starts with lower elbow position (vs. a high elbow position) 6.)Setting by facing the ball and then rotating toward the target (vs. facing the target the entire time) 7.)Step-hopping on serve receive to pre-load their stretch reflex
My experience in 10 years of coaching had been it is pretty challenging for players to switch from one of these techniques to the other and that while they are making the switch, their level of play drops off somewhat while they are learning the new skill.
So my point here was that if a new coach comes in who teaches different ways to execute these skills, I would expect that the UW players will go through a similar process and performance might dip for a while. If the new coach teaches many of these things similarly then I would expect them to not go through as much of a dip.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 26, 2015 11:02:42 GMT -5
The idea that these 7 things are departures from what other do, or a re-invention of the wheel is just plain comical. They have "marketed" this idea as different or groundbreaking, and it just simply isnt. GM2 coaches are selling guru-ism. It's like when Toshi was on the scene and "invented" cushioning the ball but called it something else. It would take my club 16 and unders all of about 15 seconds to adapt to this "system". These guys are marvelous coaches and good people, but the idea that they have come up with a unique way to train players and develop teams is bonkers. They have come up with a new way to market camps and clinics, and hats off to them. I responded to each of your 7 inventions.
1. I would say a majority of top collegiate lefts are 4 stepping. 2. Swing block is getting closer to the rule than the exception 3. I dont know anyone not teaching passers to square to server and redirecting ball to target with angles 4. What the player does "after" they make an extension play is immaterial. 5. Also more the norm than the exception 6. wouldnt advise anyone to train that idea 7. Teams and players have been pre-loading for 20 years
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alexsi
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I don't always play volleyball but when I .... oh, wait... I always play volleyball!
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Post by alexsi on Jan 26, 2015 11:11:06 GMT -5
Don't be such a troll dorothymantooth. Clearly you're a bit worked about GMS for some reason.
However if you read my posts, I didn't say any of this was ground breaking or new or anything of the sort - it's just a system that a lot of us like/use with some success and for players, transitioning from it to something else would be challenging. That's all.
<done with this discussion>
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 26, 2015 11:30:56 GMT -5
Don't be such a troll dorothymantooth. Clearly you're a bit worked about GMS for some reason. However if you read my posts, I didn't say any of this was ground breaking or new or anything of the sort - it's just a system that a lot of us like/use with some success and for players, transitioning from it to something else would be challenging. That's all. <done with this discussion> I think you have missed my point, I have nothing against the system, as you said (and i've said)it works, the coaches who are the driving forces behind it are all remarkable coaches as I have said repeatedly. Its the idea that it is a radical departure from what has been done for a long, long time that I take exception too. Transitioning from one thing to another is always challenging in any situation not just sport or volleyball. But the idea that it would take years to re-train people to do these things is just not true. These are at best, slight variations of concepts that have been taught for as long as I have been coaching. While I may have quoted you, I am not specifically calling BS on you, but BS on those selling GM2 as this new way of training players, let alone it being the "only correct way" of training players.
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Kamali'i-7
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Post by Kamali'i-7 on Jan 26, 2015 11:37:54 GMT -5
for the record, alexsi, i see nothing wrong with gold medal squared. welcome to the vt (wo)man cave.
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Post by InTheKnow on Jan 26, 2015 11:55:31 GMT -5
Don't be such a troll dorothymantooth. Clearly you're a bit worked about GMS for some reason. However if you read my posts, I didn't say any of this was ground breaking or new or anything of the sort - it's just a system that a lot of us like/use with some success and for players, transitioning from it to something else would be challenging. That's all. <done with this discussion> I think you have missed my point, I have nothing against the system, as you said (and i've said)it works, the coaches who are the driving forces behind it are all remarkable coaches as I have said repeatedly. Its the idea that it is a radical departure from what has been done for a long, long time that I take exception too. Transitioning from one thing to another is always challenging in any situation not just sport or volleyball. But the idea that it would take years to re-train people to do these things is just not true. These are at best, slight variations of concepts that have been taught for as long as I have been coaching. While I may have quoted you, I am not specifically calling BS on you, but BS on those selling GM2 as this new way of training players, let alone it being the "only correct way" of training players. Completely agree Dorthy. Adding a catch phrase "GM2" is all it is. Most of it is old school technique/systems. That's why most of it is effective. It's just fundamentals. I just can't stand the pancake crap JM does, but each their own.
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Post by bc1900 on Jan 26, 2015 12:15:09 GMT -5
I think you have missed my point, I have nothing against the system, as you said (and i've said)it works, the coaches who are the driving forces behind it are all remarkable coaches as I have said repeatedly. Its the idea that it is a radical departure from what has been done for a long, long time that I take exception too. Transitioning from one thing to another is always challenging in any situation not just sport or volleyball. But the idea that it would take years to re-train people to do these things is just not true. These are at best, slight variations of concepts that have been taught for as long as I have been coaching. While I may have quoted you, I am not specifically calling BS on you, but BS on those selling GM2 as this new way of training players, let alone it being the "only correct way" of training players. Completely agree Dorthy. Adding a catch phrase "GM2" is all it is. Most of it is old school technique/systems. That's why most of it is effective. It's just fundamentals. I just can't stand the pancake crap JM does, but each their own. Only one question: Is Russ Rose using GMS? Cause whatever he's doing is what works best.
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Post by dgo on Jan 26, 2015 12:19:22 GMT -5
Completely agree Dorthy. Adding a catch phrase "GM2" is all it is. Most of it is old school technique/systems. That's why most of it is effective. It's just fundamentals. I just can't stand the pancake crap JM does, but each their own. Only one question: Is Russ Rose using GMS? Cause whatever he's doing is what works best. I didn't realize that GMS applied to recruiting.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 26, 2015 12:22:27 GMT -5
I think you have missed my point, I have nothing against the system, as you said (and i've said)it works, the coaches who are the driving forces behind it are all remarkable coaches as I have said repeatedly. Its the idea that it is a radical departure from what has been done for a long, long time that I take exception too. Transitioning from one thing to another is always challenging in any situation not just sport or volleyball. But the idea that it would take years to re-train people to do these things is just not true. These are at best, slight variations of concepts that have been taught for as long as I have been coaching. While I may have quoted you, I am not specifically calling BS on you, but BS on those selling GM2 as this new way of training players, let alone it being the "only correct way" of training players. Completely agree Dorthy. Adding a catch phrase "GM2" is all it is. Most of it is old school technique/systems. That's why most of it is effective. It's just fundamentals. I just can't stand the pancake crap JM does, but each their own. To reiterate, I am not opposed to what they do. Successful coaches are committed to what they believe in, and can get players to buy into it. I like most of what they do, and love how disciplined their players are in doing it. I just don't find it in any way unique to what has been going on for a long time. Not bashing GM2 techniques or philosophy, just don't buy into the idea that it is groundbreaking, or extremely difficult to get players to adapt to, given it is a very small departure from fundamental points that have always been trained.
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Post by bc1900 on Jan 26, 2015 12:27:11 GMT -5
Only one question: Is Russ Rose using GMS? Cause whatever he's doing is what works best. I didn't realize that GMS applied to recruiting. Are you suggesting coaching methods don't really matter, it's all about the recruiting? That's another argument against GMS.
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Post by vbnerd on Jan 26, 2015 12:52:03 GMT -5
I didn't realize that GMS applied to recruiting. Are you suggesting coaching methods don't really matter, it's all about the recruiting? That's another argument against GMS. Back when the run started Russ Rose said something to the effect of "We are fortunate to have a group of hard working young women who happen to touch around 10'7"" which is one of those things only Russ could say with a strait face.
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