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Post by VolleyTX on Jan 21, 2015 15:43:34 GMT -5
It has probably been mentioned, but Micha has taken A. Glass' place with her Italian team. Apparently, Glass is injured. Micha didn't start the match, but did start the final 2 sets to lead her team to a win in 5. How is your Italian? They discuss her here. Stats: www.legavolleyfemminile.it/TabellinoGara.asp?IdGara=81721
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 21, 2015 16:00:26 GMT -5
don't see many setters go from college right to the big boy league. Can't ever underestimate this kids compete level.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 21, 2015 16:12:24 GMT -5
don't see many setters go from college right to the big boy league. Can't ever underestimate this kids compete level. Didn't Kreklow, Lloyd, Kehoe, Spicer and J. Hagglund sign with clubs after graduating and start immediately for their teams? I'm not trying to diminish Micha's accomplishments, because I'm pulling for her 100%! Also, Micah Christenson, a senior at USC, set the men’s national team to a gold medal at last year’s FIVB World League.
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Post by MTC on Jan 21, 2015 16:24:43 GMT -5
More power to all of them. Go Ladies!
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Post by StuffU on Jan 21, 2015 16:28:04 GMT -5
don't see many setters go from college right to the big boy league. Can't ever underestimate this kids compete level. Didn't Kreklow, Lloyd, Kehoe, Spicer and J. Hagglund sign with clubs after graduating and start immediately for their teams? I'm not trying to diminish Micha's accomplishments, because I'm pulling for her 100%! Also, Micah Christenson, a senior at USC, set the men’s national team to a gold medal at last year’s FIVB World League. You kinda prove his point. Dorothy says, "don't see MANY setters ...." And you went back to 2004ish and came up with 5 additional names ... that's a fairly small percentage of college setters going right into the big boy leagues.
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Post by gnu2vball on Jan 21, 2015 16:32:13 GMT -5
Great opportunity for an Italian speaker to be a hero.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 21, 2015 16:36:41 GMT -5
Great opportunity for an Italian speaker to be a hero.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 21, 2015 16:44:42 GMT -5
don't see many setters go from college right to the big boy league. Can't ever underestimate this kids compete level. Didn't Kreklow, Lloyd, Kehoe, Spicer and J. Hagglund sign with clubs after graduating and start immediately for their teams? I'm not trying to diminish Micha's accomplishments, because I'm pulling for her 100%! Also, Micah Christenson, a senior at USC, set the men’s national team to a gold medal at last year’s FIVB World League. Not really true. They played professionally, but Keheo never made it into a big girl league, Hagglund started in Austria, Spicer in Poland, etc. Kreklow is in a Champions League team, but not a top contender and the German league is not top-level. So Hancock is really in slim company here going straight to a competitive team in a top league. Lloyd (to Busto - though this was only considered a mid-level team before she made them much better) and Glass (to Volei Futuro) are the only comparables. That said, you shouldn't read too much into last week's result. Urbino is a very weak team and not really representative of the "big girl" level. Her team plays Sopot (3rd-place Polish team) in CEV Cup tomorrow, which will be a more interesting match.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 21, 2015 16:50:23 GMT -5
Didn't Kreklow, Lloyd, Kehoe, Spicer and J. Hagglund sign with clubs after graduating and start immediately for their teams? I'm not trying to diminish Micha's accomplishments, because I'm pulling for her 100%! Also, Micah Christenson, a senior at USC, set the men’s national team to a gold medal at last year’s FIVB World League. Not really true. They played professionally, but Keheo never made it into a big girl league, Hagglund started in Austria, Spicer in Poland, etc. Kreklow is in a Champions League team, but not a top contender and the German league is not top-level. So Hancock is really in slim company here going straight to a competitive team in a top league. Lloyd (to Busto - though this was only considered a mid-level team before she made them much better) and Glass (to Volei Futuro) are the only comparables. That said, you shouldn't read too much into last week's result. Urbino is a very weak team and not really representative of the "big girl" level. Her team plays Sopot (3rd-place Polish team) in CEV Cup tomorrow, which will be a more interesting match. Grazie!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 17:02:41 GMT -5
Didn't Kreklow, Lloyd, Kehoe, Spicer and J. Hagglund sign with clubs after graduating and start immediately for their teams? I'm not trying to diminish Micha's accomplishments, because I'm pulling for her 100%! Also, Micah Christenson, a senior at USC, set the men’s national team to a gold medal at last year’s FIVB World League. Not really true. They played professionally, but Keheo never made it into a big girl league, Hagglund started in Austria, Spicer in Poland, etc. Kreklow is in a Champions League team, but not a top contender and the German league is not top-level. So Hancock is really in slim company here going straight to a competitive team in a top league. Lloyd (to Busto - though this was only considered a mid-level team before she made them much better) and Glass (to Volei Futuro) are the only comparables. That said, you shouldn't read too much into last week's result. Urbino is a very weak team and not really representative of the "big girl" level. Her team plays Sopot (3rd-place Polish team) in CEV Cup tomorrow, which will be a more interesting match. I would also point out that the number of Americans who go straight to "big girl" leagues and start at any position is relatively small. It's also worth pointing out that the CEV Cup is the second-tier European championship. I'm a huge fan of Hancock and she should be very proud of herself, but just saying.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 21, 2015 17:59:27 GMT -5
Didn't Kreklow, Lloyd, Kehoe, Spicer and J. Hagglund sign with clubs after graduating and start immediately for their teams? I'm not trying to diminish Micha's accomplishments, because I'm pulling for her 100%! Also, Micah Christenson, a senior at USC, set the men’s national team to a gold medal at last year’s FIVB World League. You kinda prove his point. Dorothy says, "don't see MANY setters ...." And you went back to 2004ish and came up with 5 additional names ... that's a fairly small percentage of college setters going right into the big boy leagues. There may not be hundreds out there, but it's not like every school graduates 4-year starting setters every year, since their careers in college span over 4-5 years. That is, PSU doesn’t graduate a high-profile AA setter every year; instead it’s every other 4 years, so you’re right, there aren’t a lot of high-profile setters entering the professional game every single year. Didn't Kreklow, Lloyd, Kehoe, Spicer and J. Hagglund sign with clubs after graduating and start immediately for their teams? I'm not trying to diminish Micha's accomplishments, because I'm pulling for her 100%! Also, Micah Christenson, a senior at USC, set the men’s national team to a gold medal at last year’s FIVB World League. Not really true. They played professionally, but Keheo never made it into a big girl league, Hagglund started in Austria, Spicer in Poland, etc. Kreklow is in a Champions League team, but not a top contender and the German league is not top-level. So Hancock is really in slim company here going straight to a competitive team in a top league. Lloyd (to Busto - though this was only considered a mid-level team before she made them much better) and Glass (to Volei Futuro) are the only comparables. That said, you shouldn't read too much into last week's result. Urbino is a very weak team and not really representative of the "big girl" level. Her team plays Sopot (3rd-place Polish team) in CEV Cup tomorrow, which will be a more interesting match. Bryn signed with a Swiss team after graduating, similar to Thompson. What about Anderson (Germany) and Cook (Puerto Rico), both of whom signed immediately to teams after graduating and started immediately? I was responding to Dorothy's comment that there are indeed high-profile setters from strong NCAA programs that find home overseas post-graduation, similar to Hancock. It's important to note that I wasn't even responding to the "big boy league" comment, because IMO Italy is on par with the French, Swiss, and Polish leagues this season, even though Italy has traditionally been a strong league in years past. The top leagues this season are the Turkish, Russian, Brazilian, and Azerbaijan leagues. I regard those leagues to be "big boy-ish" for the amount of bids they submit in tournaments like the Grand Championship Cup and Champions League and the amount of high-profile athletes playing in said leagues. Remember, Micha is only starting because Alisha got injured, but again I'm not trying to diminish her accomplishments. Likewise, I'm not lessening the feats of Lloyd, Hagglund, Spicer, Cook, Anderson, Kehoe, Glass, Engle, or Kreklow for starting for their professional teams out of college. I would contend that these 10 setters over the past decade (avg. 1 setter/year) illustrate that it's not uncommon to see big name setters going from college right to the professional leagues--regardless if they're playing for the Feners, Vakifs, Unilevers, Dinamos, or even Urbinos.
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Post by VolleyTX on Jan 21, 2015 18:06:32 GMT -5
Didn't Kreklow, Lloyd, Kehoe, Spicer and J. Hagglund sign with clubs after graduating and start immediately for their teams? I'm not trying to diminish Micha's accomplishments, because I'm pulling for her 100%! Also, Micah Christenson, a senior at USC, set the men’s national team to a gold medal at last year’s FIVB World League. Not really true. They played professionally, but Keheo never made it into a big girl league, Hagglund started in Austria, Spicer in Poland, etc. Kreklow is in a Champions League team, but not a top contender and the German league is not top-level. So Hancock is really in slim company here going straight to a competitive team in a top league. Lloyd (to Busto - though this was only considered a mid-level team before she made them much better) and Glass (to Volei Futuro) are the only comparables. That said, you shouldn't read too much into last week's result. Urbino is a very weak team and not really representative of the "big girl" level. Her team plays Sopot (3rd-place Polish team) in CEV Cup tomorrow, which will be a more interesting match. I believe Laola1 is broadcasting the CEV cup. I look forward to seeing how she performs tomorrow. Thanks for the heads up.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 21, 2015 18:08:21 GMT -5
You kinda prove his point. Dorothy says, "don't see MANY setters ...." And you went back to 2004ish and came up with 5 additional names ... that's a fairly small percentage of college setters going right into the big boy leagues. There may not be hundreds out there, but it's not like every school graduates 4-year starting setters every year, since their careers in college span over 4-5 years. That is, PSU doesn’t graduate a high-profile AA setter every year; instead it’s every other 4 years, so you’re right, there aren’t a lot of high-profile setters entering the professional game every single year. Not really true. They played professionally, but Keheo never made it into a big girl league, Hagglund started in Austria, Spicer in Poland, etc. Kreklow is in a Champions League team, but not a top contender and the German league is not top-level. So Hancock is really in slim company here going straight to a competitive team in a top league. Lloyd (to Busto - though this was only considered a mid-level team before she made them much better) and Glass (to Volei Futuro) are the only comparables. That said, you shouldn't read too much into last week's result. Urbino is a very weak team and not really representative of the "big girl" level. Her team plays Sopot (3rd-place Polish team) in CEV Cup tomorrow, which will be a more interesting match. Bryn signed with a Swiss team after graduating, similar to Thompson. What about Anderson (Germany) and Cook (Puerto Rico), both of whom signed immediately to teams after graduating and started immediately? I was responding to Dorothy's comment that there are indeed high-profile setters from strong NCAA programs that find home overseas post-graduation, similar to Hancock. It's important to note that I wasn't even responding to the "big boy league" comment, because IMO Italy is on par with the French, Swiss, and Polish leagues this season, even though Italy has traditionally been a strong league in years past. The top leagues this season are the Turkish, Russian, Brazilian, and Azerbaijan leagues. I regard those leagues to be "big boy-ish" for the amount of bids they submit in tournaments like the Grand Championship Cup and Champions League and the amount of high-profile athletes playing in said leagues. Remember, Micha is only starting because Alisha got injured, but again I'm not trying to diminish her accomplishments. Likewise, I'm not lessening the feats of Lloyd, Hagglund, Spicer, Cook, Anderson, Kehoe, Glass, Engle, or Kreklow for starting for their professional teams out of college. I would contend that these 10 setters over the past decade (avg. 1 setter/year) illustrate that it's not uncommon to see big name setters going from college right to the professional leagues--regardless if they're playing for the Feners, Vakifs, Unilevers, Dinamos, or even Urbinos. Azerbaijan is not a big boy league. The top team is very good and the #2 is competitive, so Rabita is playing maybe 2 competitive matches each season domestically. Apart from the Top 4 or soteams, the Turkish League is weaker than the Italian counterparts, and even the top teams are not as strong domestically as they are in Champions League because of foreigner restrictions. And Italy is NOT on par with the French, Swiss and Polish leagues. All have one strong team and are VERY weak below that. It's not even close w/r/t level of competition. Someone at Cannes or Volero is playing the entire domestic season without playing an elite opponent.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 21, 2015 20:45:00 GMT -5
There may not be hundreds out there, but it's not like every school graduates 4-year starting setters every year, since their careers in college span over 4-5 years. That is, PSU doesn’t graduate a high-profile AA setter every year; instead it’s every other 4 years, so you’re right, there aren’t a lot of high-profile setters entering the professional game every single year. Bryn signed with a Swiss team after graduating, similar to Thompson. What about Anderson (Germany) and Cook (Puerto Rico), both of whom signed immediately to teams after graduating and started immediately? I was responding to Dorothy's comment that there are indeed high-profile setters from strong NCAA programs that find home overseas post-graduation, similar to Hancock. It's important to note that I wasn't even responding to the "big boy league" comment, because IMO Italy is on par with the French, Swiss, and Polish leagues this season, even though Italy has traditionally been a strong league in years past. The top leagues this season are the Turkish, Russian, Brazilian, and Azerbaijan leagues. I regard those leagues to be "big boy-ish" for the amount of bids they submit in tournaments like the Grand Championship Cup and Champions League and the amount of high-profile athletes playing in said leagues. Remember, Micha is only starting because Alisha got injured, but again I'm not trying to diminish her accomplishments. Likewise, I'm not lessening the feats of Lloyd, Hagglund, Spicer, Cook, Anderson, Kehoe, Glass, Engle, or Kreklow for starting for their professional teams out of college. I would contend that these 10 setters over the past decade (avg. 1 setter/year) illustrate that it's not uncommon to see big name setters going from college right to the professional leagues--regardless if they're playing for the Feners, Vakifs, Unilevers, Dinamos, or even Urbinos. Azerbaijan is not a big boy league. The top team is very good and the #2 is competitive, so Rabita is playing maybe 2 competitive matches each season domestically. Apart from the Top 4 or soteams, the Turkish League is weaker than the Italian counterparts, and even the top teams are not as strong domestically as they are in Champions League because of foreigner restrictions. And Italy is NOT on par with the French, Swiss and Polish leagues. All have one strong team and are VERY weak below that. It's not even close w/r/t level of competition. Someone at Cannes or Volero is playing the entire domestic season without playing an elite opponent. No way Italy's #2, 3, 4, 5, 6... are better than their Turkish counterparts! NOT even close, man! Micha's Congeliano team is ranked 5th in the league, and it's not because there's parity of top talent in the Italian league either. Congeliano is at the same place that Bryn Kehoe's Sagres (Swiss) team was in the year she arrived. Also, not even Italy's top national team players stayed in Italy this season! Lo Bianco (Fener), Centoni (Galatasaray), Costagrande (Vakif) and both Bosettis are in Turkey; del Core is still in Russia; and Arrighetti plays for Loko Baku in Azerbaijan. The Italian league has had a couple years of notoriety of not paying its players' salaries, which has made the league suffer. I know you appreciate int'l volleyball as much as I do, c4ndle, so are you sure you're not confusing the Italian men's pro league with the women's this year? The men's league has top talent and is on par with the Russians. However, the women's league is definitely on par with France and Switzerland, but way behind Turkey, Russia, Brazil...
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 21, 2015 20:56:32 GMT -5
Azerbaijan is not a big boy league. The top team is very good and the #2 is competitive, so Rabita is playing maybe 2 competitive matches each season domestically. Apart from the Top 4 or soteams, the Turkish League is weaker than the Italian counterparts, and even the top teams are not as strong domestically as they are in Champions League because of foreigner restrictions. And Italy is NOT on par with the French, Swiss and Polish leagues. All have one strong team and are VERY weak below that. It's not even close w/r/t level of competition. Someone at Cannes or Volero is playing the entire domestic season without playing an elite opponent. No way Italy's #2, 3, 4, 5, 6... are better than their Turkish counterparts! NOT even close, man! Micha's Congeliano team is ranked 5th in the league, and it's not because there's parity of top talent in the Italian league either. Congeliano is at the same place that Bryn Kehoe's Sagres (Swiss) team was in the year she arrived. Also, not even Italy's top national team players stayed in Italy this season! Lo Bianco (Fener), Centoni (Galatasaray), Costagrande (Vakif) and both Bosettis are in Turkey; del Core is still in Russia; and Arrighetti plays for Loko Baku in Azerbaijan. The Italian league has had a couple years of notoriety of not paying its players' salaries, which has made the league suffer. I know you appreciate int'l volleyball as much as I do, c4ndle, so are you sure you're not confusing the Italian men's pro league with the women's this year? The men's league has top talent and is on par with the Russians. However, the women's league is definitely on par with France and Switzerland, but way behind Turkey, Russia, Brazil... And Turkey's best player from the WChamps (Neriman) is playing in Italy. Top 3, sure Turkey is miles ahead (though VakifBank did need 5 sets to get by Piacenza today). After that? No way. The 5th place Turkish team is being led by Sonja Newcombe and Judith Pietersen. You think Conegliano's roster (with Neriman, Nikolova, Barcellini, Adams, Barazza, Glass) couldn't handle that? You need to educate yourself on the level of French and Swiss volleyball if you want to compare the 5th place Swiss team to the 5th place Serie A team.
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