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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 29, 2015 0:31:45 GMT -5
She stayed a second year because her coach asked her to give it another year before deciding. I don't believe she was miserable, I believe she felt it wasnt the right fit. Fran is a great person, and a very good coach, I cant imagine any part of the program would make her miserable. In my opinion forcing her to sit a year of residency is her right, and within the rules. I think forcing her to sit the sand season in which she said she would even redshirt is piling on and unnecessary. LSU did not have sand volleyball when she committed there, if she never played sand volleyball at LSU she wouldnt even need a release to participate this sand season. I get the sitting out in the fall, sitting out a non-competitive beach season, I don't. Oh, come on, quit talking out of both sides. She's either a great person and a very good coach, or a coach with situational ethics. Pick one already. Hey, go back and read all the way back to the original thread, I have said consistently that I believe all players should sit a year. I also believe that the sand season given it was never something Holman signed on for, shouldnt hold her back from participating in sand this spring. I believe i am clearly supporting what I believe to be fair. Im one instance i find her decision to not release her to be fair, in another (sand is a totally separate situation) I don't. Can you not agree with what some peoples decisions and disagree with others even if they are exceptional people? Are you married? Because I think if you are, you would understand how that is quite possible.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 29, 2015 1:11:44 GMT -5
I read all your posts, and my point is, you contradict yourself. If everyone should sit out a season, then why shouldn't she sit out the sand season regardless of whether she originally signed up for it not. The fact is that the NCAA rules give discretion on the transfer exception to certain sports, and I don't know whether LSU abused that discretion or not, but neither do you. Instead you've chosen to imply situational ethics, start a thread with a link about a transfer middle to LSU which normally wouldn't merit much discussion except that you want to imply hypocrisy, and then talk about what a great person and coach the person is. I believe that is the definition of hypocrisy. I'm sure you know that sand is considered separate from the indoor game, and since Nebraska and LSU won't even face each other in the regular sand season or in a nonexistent NCAA championship, it makes sense that Bri should be released for sand. Moreover there was a situation last spring in which Holman didn't even want to play sand at LSU, so it's a bummer that wish wasn't even respected. Also, DMT knows about the inner workings, which may allow him and others to regard the situation as bogus. I think one can come to that conclusion while still thinking Fran is an overall decent human being. Anyone can call her a good coach and a good person, because she may very well be a good ambassador for our sport in certain aspects of the game. It doesn't mean that DMT is contradicting himself by not agreeing with her decisions regarding a player's release. I still think the only hypocrisy in this situation is of a coach benefiting from an incoming transfer that has been given a release and denying an outgoing transfer the same courtesy.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jan 29, 2015 4:30:01 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Holman plays sand, she won't make the Nebraska sand team any better than it already is. They've got a pedestrian sand team with or without Holman.
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Post by akbar on Jan 29, 2015 7:17:11 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Holman plays sand, she won't make the Nebraska sand team any better than it already is. They've got a pedestrian sand team with or without Holman.
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Post by coloradokidd on Jan 29, 2015 8:47:45 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Holman plays sand, she won't make the Nebraska sand team any better than it already is. They've got a pedestrian sand team with or without Holman. I'm not sure that your the 'best' judge of Husker Volleyball. Dec 7, 2014 Barefoot In Kailua,"I hope the Huskers make it interesting but Washington will likely move on." Was the match interesting enough for you?
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 29, 2015 9:26:15 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Holman plays sand, she won't make the Nebraska sand team any better than it already is. They've got a pedestrian sand team with or without Holman. I'm not sure that your the 'best' judge of Husker Volleyball. Dec 7, 2014 Barefoot In Kailua,"I hope the Huskers make it interesting but Washington will likely move on." Was the match interesting enough for you? He wasn't alone in his false predictions. Didn’t that thread have a poll that predicted a Huskies sweep or something? Nebraska played its best match of the season because the setting was finally on point. It seems to me, and I may be wrong, that the Huskers use the sand season to improve aspects of their indoor game and travel to Hawaii/Cali/Arizona each spring. Thus far, we have not been able to participate in the sand championship because it conflicts with finals week at UNL, so I’m not too certain that the players or coaches regard not making the championship as a make-or-break sort of thing to their springs. Once the NCAA formally sponsors a championship, you may see some more effort on our part. Again, I may be completely way off base and welcome anyone to correct me. =) BTW does anyone know if any of our sand matches will be streamed online?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jan 29, 2015 10:43:14 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Holman plays sand, she won't make the Nebraska sand team any better than it already is. They've got a pedestrian sand team with or without Holman. I'm not sure that your the 'best' judge of Husker Volleyball. Dec 7, 2014 Barefoot In Kailua,"I hope the Huskers make it interesting but Washington will likely move on." Was the match interesting enough for you? If you conducted a poll prior to that match, the majority of people voting would have taken Washington too. The result of the match has no relevance to my comments about Nebraska's sand team. Nebraska will get worked by real beach volleyball programs, with or without Holman.
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Post by #skoskers on Jan 30, 2015 10:26:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure that your the 'best' judge of Husker Volleyball. Dec 7, 2014 Barefoot In Kailua,"I hope the Huskers make it interesting but Washington will likely move on." Was the match interesting enough for you? If you conducted a poll prior to that match, the majority of people voting would have taken Washington too. The result of the match has no relevance to my comments about Nebraska's sand team. Nebraska will get worked by real beach volleyball programs, with or without Holman. A "real beach volleyball" program? So, you're implying that landlocked teams can't promote and participate in sand? It's odd to hear you make a geographically discriminating comment when Hawaii's location deters the top mainland recruits from choosing Hawaii as a destination to spend four years of their lives. TBH, and I’ve said this before, Hawaii is great as a vacation destination, because the resort areas on the beaches are lovely, but inland Hawaii reminds me of Caracas or Lima. o.0 I also remember this type of sentiment last decade when there were a helluva lot more West Coast and Hawaii posters on VTalk claiming that the volleyball east of the Rockies was a joke. I ask you to look where we are now: people claim there’s an East Coast bias, and it seems most of the top recruits are choosing the schools east of Nebraska and Texas these days. Sure, Stanford and USC get their share of top recruits, but the trend of successful volleyball has seemingly swung toward the Midwest and East Coast. None of this really matters, though, because like I mentioned above, Nebraska seems to use the sand season as a means to train and condition their indoor skills and develop chemistry and other intangibles, because there’s not even an official NCAA sand championship yet. Also, if you remember correctly, Jordan Larson and Sarah Pavan won a sand championship together, taking down schools with supposed "real beach volleyball programs," so swish that around in your mouth. ;-)
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Post by bayarea on Jan 30, 2015 11:39:07 GMT -5
Wait a minute. In 2007, there were no schools with "real beach volleyball programs"... They took down indoor players from other indoor programs, on the sand.
#1 Nebraska - Sarah Pavan (All-American and AVCA Player of the Year) / Jordan Larson (All-American) #2 Stanford - Cynthia Barboza (All-American) / Bryn Kehoe (All-American) #3 Penn State - Nicole Fawcett (All-American) / Roberta Holehouse #4 Minnesota - Jessy Jones / Rachel Hartmann #5 Texas - Ashley Engle (All-American) / Alyson Jennings #6 Florida - Angie McGinnis (All-American) / Marcie Hampton #7 San Diego - Jaimarie Sutherland / Andrea Csaszi #8 Cal Poly - Kylie Atherstone / Chelsea Hayes
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 30, 2015 11:39:07 GMT -5
If you conducted a poll prior to that match, the majority of people voting would have taken Washington too. The result of the match has no relevance to my comments about Nebraska's sand team. Nebraska will get worked by real beach volleyball programs, with or without Holman. A "real beach volleyball" program? So, you're implying that landlocked teams can't promote and participate in sand? It's odd to hear you make a geographically discriminating comment when Hawaii's location deters the top mainland recruits from choosing Hawaii as a destination to spend four years of their lives. TBH, and I’ve said this before, Hawaii is great as a vacation destination, because the resort areas on the beaches are lovely, but inland Hawaii reminds me of Caracas or Lima. o.0 I also remember this type of sentiment last decade when there were a helluva lot more West Coast and Hawaii posters on VTalk claiming that the volleyball east of the Rockies was a joke. I ask you to look where we are now: people claim there’s an East Coast bias, and it seems most of the top recruits are choosing the schools east of Nebraska and Texas these days. Sure, Stanford and USC get their share of top recruits, but the trend of successful volleyball has seemingly swung toward the Midwest and East Coast. None of this really matters, though, because like I mentioned above, Nebraska seems to use the sand season as a means to train and condition their indoor skills and develop chemistry and other intangibles, because there’s not even an official NCAA sand championship yet. Also, if you remember correctly, Jordan Larson and Sarah Pavan won a sand championship together, taking down schools with supposed "real beach volleyball programs," so swish that around in your mouth. ;-)
I was there, and no school had a beach program. There were a few players who had experience growing up playing on California beaches, but that was about it. It was fun seeing top indoor players come out the beach, but good volleyball it was not. I remember Nicole Fawcett walking off the court swearing to never set foot in sand again. She and Holehouse were, to be blunt, just awful. It was a strange duck of a tournament. It was a made-for-TV event cooked up by Kathy DeBoer and CBS Sports, and Kathy managed to convince Cook, Rose, Wise, Elliot, Hebert, and Dunning to send a pair each. Some big-time programs in the West weren't invited because their rosters included numerous AAA beach players, and there was concern that the event wouldn't be competitive if they were included. So a couple of smaller schools were brought in to fill out the brackets, which almost ended up being a really bad idea. San Diego and Cal Poly were supposed to be filler, but USD had a couple of beach rats and Cal Poly had a beach hall of famer (Jon Stevenson) as their coach, and both schools ended up in the semifinals - which freaked out CBS, who in no way wanted to televise a USD-Cal Poly final in an event that had Stanford, Florida, Penn St, Texas, and Minnesota in the field. Fortunately, Stanford and Nebraska saved CBS's bacon (I always wondered about how fortuitous that was, but Stevenson told me that Cal Poly wasn't pressured to tank). The final was fairly entertaining - Nebraska won because Larson and Pavan are really good at volleyball and Bryn Kehoe couldn't side out to save her life.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 30, 2015 11:45:07 GMT -5
A "real beach volleyball" program? So, you're implying that landlocked teams can't promote and participate in sand? It's odd to hear you make a geographically discriminating comment when Hawaii's location deters the top mainland recruits from choosing Hawaii as a destination to spend four years of their lives. TBH, and I’ve said this before, Hawaii is great as a vacation destination, because the resort areas on the beaches are lovely, but inland Hawaii reminds me of Caracas or Lima. o.0 I also remember this type of sentiment last decade when there were a helluva lot more West Coast and Hawaii posters on VTalk claiming that the volleyball east of the Rockies was a joke. I ask you to look where we are now: people claim there’s an East Coast bias, and it seems most of the top recruits are choosing the schools east of Nebraska and Texas these days. Sure, Stanford and USC get their share of top recruits, but the trend of successful volleyball has seemingly swung toward the Midwest and East Coast. None of this really matters, though, because like I mentioned above, Nebraska seems to use the sand season as a means to train and condition their indoor skills and develop chemistry and other intangibles, because there’s not even an official NCAA sand championship yet. Also, if you remember correctly, Jordan Larson and Sarah Pavan won a sand championship together, taking down schools with supposed "real beach volleyball programs," so swish that around in your mouth. ;-)
I was there, and no school had a beach program. There were a few players who had experience growing up playing on California beaches, but that was about it. It was fun seeing top indoor players come out the beach, but good volleyball it was not. I remember Nicole Fawcett walking off the court swearing to never set foot in sand again. She and Holehouse were, to be blunt, just awful. It was a strange duck of a tournament. It was a made-for-TV event cooked up by Kathy DeBoer and CBS Sports, and Kathy managed to convince Cook, Rose, Wise, Elliot, Hebert, and Dunning to send a pair each. Some big-time programs in the West weren't invited because their rosters included numerous AAA beach players, and there was concern that the event wouldn't be competitive if they were included. So a couple of smaller schools were brought in to fill out the brackets, which almost ended up being a really bad idea. San Diego and Cal Poly were supposed to be filler, but USD had a couple of beach rats and Cal Poly had a beach hall of famer (Jon Stevenson) as their coach, and both schools ended up in the semifinals - which freaked out CBS, who in no way wanted to televise a USD-Cal Poly final in an event that had Stanford, Florida, Penn St, Texas, and Minnesota in the field. Fortunately, Stanford and Nebraska saved CBS's bacon (I always wondered about how fortuitous that was, but Stevenson told me that Cal Poly wasn't pressured to tank). The final was fairly entertaining - Nebraska won because Larson and Pavan are really good at volleyball and Bryn Kehoe couldn't side out to save her life. While Fawcette may have been awful, can't imagine Holehouse was, she is a terrific beach player, and was before she even arrived at PSU.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jan 30, 2015 11:49:24 GMT -5
A "real beach volleyball" program? So, you're implying that landlocked teams can't promote and participate in sand? It's odd to hear you make a geographically discriminating comment when Hawaii's location deters the top mainland recruits from choosing Hawaii as a destination to spend four years of their lives. TBH, and I’ve said this before, Hawaii is great as a vacation destination, because the resort areas on the beaches are lovely, but inland Hawaii reminds me of Caracas or Lima. o.0 I also remember this type of sentiment last decade when there were a helluva lot more West Coast and Hawaii posters on VTalk claiming that the volleyball east of the Rockies was a joke. I ask you to look where we are now: people claim there’s an East Coast bias, and it seems most of the top recruits are choosing the schools east of Nebraska and Texas these days. Sure, Stanford and USC get their share of top recruits, but the trend of successful volleyball has seemingly swung toward the Midwest and East Coast. None of this really matters, though, because like I mentioned above, Nebraska seems to use the sand season as a means to train and condition their indoor skills and develop chemistry and other intangibles, because there’s not even an official NCAA sand championship yet. Also, if you remember correctly, Jordan Larson and Sarah Pavan won a sand championship together, taking down schools with supposed "real beach volleyball programs," so swish that around in your mouth. ;-)
I was there, and no school had a beach program. There were a few players who had experience growing up playing on California beaches, but that was about it. It was fun seeing top indoor players come out the beach, but good volleyball it was not. I remember Nicole Fawcett walking off the court swearing to never set foot in sand again. She and Holehouse were, to be blunt, just awful. It was a strange duck of a tournament. It was a made-for-TV event cooked up by Kathy DeBoer and CBS Sports, and Kathy managed to convince Cook, Rose, Wise, Elliot, Hebert, and Dunning to send a pair each. Some big-time programs in the West weren't invited because their rosters included numerous AAA beach players, and there was concern that the event wouldn't be competitive if they were included. So a couple of smaller schools were brought in to fill out the brackets, which almost ended up being a really bad idea. San Diego and Cal Poly were supposed to be filler, but USD had a couple of beach rats and Cal Poly had a beach hall of famer (Jon Stevenson) as their coach, and both schools ended up in the semifinals - which freaked out CBS, who in no way wanted to televise a USD-Cal Poly final in an event that had Stanford, Florida, Penn St, Texas, and Minnesota in the field. Fortunately, Stanford and Nebraska saved CBS's bacon (I always wondered about how fortuitous that was, but Stevenson told me that Cal Poly wasn't pressured to tank). The final was fairly entertaining - Nebraska won because Larson and Pavan are really good at volleyball and Bryn Kehoe couldn't side out to save her life. I love your stories.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jan 30, 2015 11:53:39 GMT -5
If you conducted a poll prior to that match, the majority of people voting would have taken Washington too. The result of the match has no relevance to my comments about Nebraska's sand team. Nebraska will get worked by real beach volleyball programs, with or without Holman. A "real beach volleyball" program? So, you're implying that landlocked teams can't promote and participate in sand? It's odd to hear you make a geographically discriminating comment when Hawaii's location deters the top mainland recruits from choosing Hawaii as a destination to spend four years of their lives. TBH, and I’ve said this before, Hawaii is great as a vacation destination, because the resort areas on the beaches are lovely, but inland Hawaii reminds me of Caracas or Lima. o.0 I also remember this type of sentiment last decade when there were a helluva lot more West Coast and Hawaii posters on VTalk claiming that the volleyball east of the Rockies was a joke. I ask you to look where we are now: people claim there’s an East Coast bias, and it seems most of the top recruits are choosing the schools east of Nebraska and Texas these days. Sure, Stanford and USC get their share of top recruits, but the trend of successful volleyball has seemingly swung toward the Midwest and East Coast. None of this really matters, though, because like I mentioned above, Nebraska seems to use the sand season as a means to train and condition their indoor skills and develop chemistry and other intangibles, because there’s not even an official NCAA sand championship yet. Also, if you remember correctly, Jordan Larson and Sarah Pavan won a sand championship together, taking down schools with supposed "real beach volleyball programs," so swish that around in your mouth. ;-) LOl. My comments had nothing to do with Nebraska's location, that much is obvious. It's the fact that they don't have a single beach/sand-only player on their roster. Instead of refuting my comments, you actually validated them so thanks, dumbass. Nice dig at Hawai'i, btw. It doesn't matter to me. I flew over Nebraska once, I didn't miss anything. As far as your implication that Nebraska is not taking its sand program seriously because it isn't a championship sport, I don't see their lack of success changing next year when beach/sand volleyball is championship sport; they're not going to out recruit Hawai'i or other beach volleyball programs. Last year, Nebraska didn't win a single match in Hawai'i, I suspect it will be the much same again this year. As an aside, for all your boasting about Nebraska Volleyball, you seem to forget that Hawai'i has been to a final four more recently than Nebraska. Put that fact into your pipe and smoke it.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 30, 2015 12:02:10 GMT -5
A "real beach volleyball" program? So, you're implying that landlocked teams can't promote and participate in sand? It's odd to hear you make a geographically discriminating comment when Hawaii's location deters the top mainland recruits from choosing Hawaii as a destination to spend four years of their lives. TBH, and I’ve said this before, Hawaii is great as a vacation destination, because the resort areas on the beaches are lovely, but inland Hawaii reminds me of Caracas or Lima. o.0 I also remember this type of sentiment last decade when there were a helluva lot more West Coast and Hawaii posters on VTalk claiming that the volleyball east of the Rockies was a joke. I ask you to look where we are now: people claim there’s an East Coast bias, and it seems most of the top recruits are choosing the schools east of Nebraska and Texas these days. Sure, Stanford and USC get their share of top recruits, but the trend of successful volleyball has seemingly swung toward the Midwest and East Coast. None of this really matters, though, because like I mentioned above, Nebraska seems to use the sand season as a means to train and condition their indoor skills and develop chemistry and other intangibles, because there’s not even an official NCAA sand championship yet. Also, if you remember correctly, Jordan Larson and Sarah Pavan won a sand championship together, taking down schools with supposed "real beach volleyball programs," so swish that around in your mouth. ;-) LOl. My comments had nothing to do with Nebraska's location, that much is obvious. It's the fact that they don't have a single beach/sand-only player on their roster. Instead of refuting my comments, you actually validated them so thanks, dumbass. Nice dig at Hawai'i, btw. It doesn't matter to me. I flew over Nebraska once, I didn't miss anything. As far as your implication that Nebraska is not taking its sand program seriously because it isn't a championship sport, I don't see their lack of success changing next year when it is when beach/sand volleyball is championship sport; they're not going to out recruit Hawai'i or other beach volleyball programs. Last year, Nebraska didn't win a single match in Hawai'i, I suspect it will be the much same again this year. As an aside, for all your boasting about Nebraska Volleyball, you seem to forget that Hawai'i has been to a final four more recently than Nebraska. Put that fact into your pipe and smoke it. Respectfully, I think you are failing to recognize that Nebraska has never even recruited a beach player, and while I am sure the kids always want to win, nothing about their goals as a sand program, suggest they are trying to be a competitive program. They are playing with indoor players with little or no beach experience as a means to get extra training, help players become more well rounded indoor players. They play only the minimum amount of dates and dont even attempt to qualify for championships. Given all of that, wouldnt it stand to reason they can't compete with beach programs, who are recruiting beach players, are trying to win championships?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Jan 30, 2015 12:07:20 GMT -5
LOl. My comments had nothing to do with Nebraska's location, that much is obvious. It's the fact that they don't have a single beach/sand-only player on their roster. Instead of refuting my comments, you actually validated them so thanks, dumbass. Nice dig at Hawai'i, btw. It doesn't matter to me. I flew over Nebraska once, I didn't miss anything. As far as your implication that Nebraska is not taking its sand program seriously because it isn't a championship sport, I don't see their lack of success changing next year when it is when beach/sand volleyball is championship sport; they're not going to out recruit Hawai'i or other beach volleyball programs. Last year, Nebraska didn't win a single match in Hawai'i, I suspect it will be the much same again this year. As an aside, for all your boasting about Nebraska Volleyball, you seem to forget that Hawai'i has been to a final four more recently than Nebraska. Put that fact into your pipe and smoke it. Respectfully, I think you are failing to recognize that Nebraska has never even recruited a beach player, and while I am sure the kids always want to win, nothing about their goals as a sand program, suggest they are trying to be a competitive program. They are playing with indoor players with little or no beach experience as a means to get extra training, help players become more well rounded indoor players. They play only the minimum amount of dates and dont even attempt to qualify for championships. Given all of that, wouldnt it stand to reason they can't compete with beach programs, who are recruiting beach players, are trying to win championships? Respectfully? just say what you have to say and leave out that "respectfully" nonsense because you're starting to sound like the new MTC. That said, I understand what you're saying- that's my point.
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